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    I'm not even saying that Bernie voters flipped to Trump, I'm just saying that many Bernie voters come from the same places as Trump voters, they voted for Obama in '12, and didn't vote for Hillary. Turnout was depressed across the board. Anyone claiming that Trump won by flipping Obama voters is full of shit IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by myDeaconmyhand View Post
    I'm not even saying that Bernie voters flipped to Trump, I'm just saying that many Bernie voters come from the same places as Trump voters, they voted for Obama in '12, and didn't vote for Hillary. Turnout was depressed across the board. Anyone claiming that Trump won by flipping Obama voters is full of shit IMO

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    like the lifelong blue collar Dems in western PA who voted for Trump, you mean?

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    like dumping a shitty BF/GF, it's all so clear immediately after

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    Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Who's on the bench for 2020?

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    you don't think OWG the turn out would've been flamed higher with the threat of a true Communist? possible the lack Hillary the Criminal baggage may have helped offset that.

    i'm just skeptical that enough people are buying that message
    You are assuming OWGs weren't already turning out for the threat of a "true" communist.

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    By Democrats? Kinda. Really didn't matter because he wasn't Hillary.
    By Republicans? All Democrats are the most liberal EVAR
    I recall candidate Obama being the liberal alternative to Hillary, who's husband's Presidency was centrist (and she was well-known to be a key advisor in that administration). I thought (at the time) how Obama campaigned was as blatant as one could be if they wanted America to go far left. I didn't think full blown socialism had national appeal.

    Then I saw Bernie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    I think the message would have been less anti-OWG with Bernie as the candidate than Hillary as the candidate. She couldn't decide if she wanted to court women's voters, educated voters, or high income voters the most. Instead she blandly courted all three and barely won any of them.
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    How exactly did she court high income voters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qcdeac View Post
    How exactly did she court high income voters?
    should've released those wall street speeches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacfreak07 View Post
    You are assuming OWGs weren't already turning out for the threat of a "true" communist.
    You could bet your ass Bernie's honeymoon to Soviet Moscow would have been a tagline directed at that generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconBrews View Post
    I recall candidate Obama being the liberal alternative to Hillary, who's husband's Presidency was centrist (and she was well-known to be a key advisor in that administration). I thought (at the time) how Obama campaigned was as blatant as one could be if they wanted America to go far left. I didn't think full blown socialism had national appeal.

    Then I saw Bernie.

    Don't get support for Bernie as "not Hillary" confused with support for full blown socialism.

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    I don't see how anyone could have followed this insane election and claim to know what would have happened if the Dems nominated Bernie. Think of all the Breitbart alt-right hatred spread and imagine it being applied to a Jewish socialist lifelong politician who was secretive of his private life which included having a child out of wedlock.

    Just typing that made me feel gross. I hate this election so much.

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    Yeah. The anti-Semitism would have been off the charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Yeah. The anti-Semitism would have been off the charts.
    what anti-semitism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacfreak07 View Post
    Obama campaigned as a liberal in 2008. I was really excited about it too. He governed as a moderate.
    Actually, it was the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simosfrostyone View Post
    Actually, it was the opposite.
    No. Not even.

    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    By Democrats? Kinda. Really didn't matter because he wasn't Hillary.
    By Republicans? All Democrats are the most liberal EVAR

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    Quote Originally Posted by simosfrostyone View Post
    Actually, it was the opposite.
    Weird, because I am a liberal. Not a super secret liberal either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    Do you care to back this up?

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    The way some of you guys are using the word "socialist", I'm not sure you know what that word means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownieDeac View Post
    bernie could have beaten trump

    not sure he could have beaten basically any of the other 20 GOP guys that started the race who wouldn't have made it about populist issues
    We will never know because he wouldn't fight for himself after Hillary cheated him out of the nomination. Must have been paid off by the Clinton Foundation and bought that $600,000 summer home with that money!

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    Gillibrand, Brown or even Kamala Harris.

    Booker has Clinton-esque baggage, ego, and lack of political imagination. Might as well hand Trump a second term by nominating Booker.
    We're going to be good again.

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