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So how exactly did this happen?

srbouch said:
I'm so sick of hearing this. Trump voters can be tired of being called those things all they want but they aren't inaccurate. If you don't want to be labeled a sexist, racist, xenophobe or whatever else then stop being those things.
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Are you in high school? You have the weakest, least factual, posting style on these boards. Well, you and a few over BHL's.
 
tvcigar said:
I'll take a gander....a) Dems give Hillary her shot, eventhough she is a cold fish politician, AND covered in scandal.
b) Obama and followers rub Middle America's nose in 8 years of crap (ACA, Black Lives Matter, threats to limit guns, perceived disrespect toward the military)
c) Bi-Coastal elites (media, wall street, and snobby college profs) look down on Middle America people and values constantly.
d) the industrial unions power is greatly diminished in the 21st century economy.

All add up to Middle America giving a big F.U to the Dems and Hillary. Any 'pub would have won this year...wouldn't have been as close if it wasn't Trump
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I'm not so sure about that bolded part. I mean, any Pub wouldn't have won the way Trump did, turning PA, MI, and WI. It is possible another Pub would've won NH and maybe NM or CO, but your usual milquetoast candidate wouldn't have turned the rust belt states. It took Trump to capitalize and target those old manufacturing jobs that your usual Pub candidates know are gone and don't even bother targeting. And it took Trump to continuously remind people that Hillary was a crook, not simply ethically challenged. Your "any Pub" basically would've been too much of a pussy to mobilize and capitalize on the anger out there. Trump deserves a great deal of credit for molding a new electorate for the GOP. Whether or not he keeps it is another matter altogether.
 
srbouch said:
Oh I don't know, perhaps his constant shit talking about BLM?
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Not supporting BLM does not equal racist. What it is though is an opinion you disagree with. Since it challenges your precious little safe space you panic and cry racism.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Not supporting BLM does not equal racist. What it is though is an opinion you disagree with. Since it challenges your precious little safe space you panic and cry racism.
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I'm not panicking at all and I'm not really worried about whatever you perceive to be my precious little safe space. Bottom line is BKF thought some of the police killings of unarmed black citizens was ok and blamed the victims. How is that not racist?
 
Trump spent all campaign speaking to the rust belt on trade and swept it. And Hillary fell down at a 9/11 memorial. Campaign was over that afternoon.
 
srbouch said:
Duly noted, thanks for your opinion.
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No prob. Just step your troll/hate-filled/vitriol spewing up. Think WakeandBake. He's a surefire jack ass but at least does it in a semi-convincing way.
 
WakeandBake said:
Ive never understood how the media is in the tank for Dems. Our win-loss record over the past 16 years is shitty. How have you arrived at that?
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As a registered Dem who identifies as a Republican (but voted for Hillary and Cooper), I'll take a shot. I see overall media skewing towards Dems, but not in the tank for them. I heard last night that only one major newspaper (Las Vegas) endorsed Trump and that was probably because Trump is pro-casino. I totally get why newspapers would not endorse Trump, but the overwhelming nature is surprising given the divided electorate. In past elections, my belief/memory is that Bushes, Dole, McCain and Romney didn't rack up a lot of endorsements either. Not sure if that is a business decision...newspapers are based in larger cities (skew Dem), but at least now are mostly subscribed to by olds (skew Pub)...or the editors lean Dem for one reason or another.

As far as TV, I feel the 3 networks skew Dem, but aren't in the tank for them by any means. Rarely watch CNN, but their website definitely skews Dem. They loved Trump in the primaries, because he drew views. Over the last few months, there was a definite bias towards Hillary (understandable), but there was no question in headlines, locations, stories and photos used who they were supporting.

I lump late night stuff into the media as well. Colbert, John Oliver and Seth Meyers are getting far my viewers than they did 4 years ago and they were all very anti-Trump (again, very understandable). A lot of the late night guests, be they actors, comedians or musicians, would comment on how awful Trump is. This happened to a lesser degree in the past few election cycles. Certainly, there are wealthy celebs that support Trump and are hardcore Republicans. Maybe that is an assumption I am making, since freaking Scott Baio was the best they could do at their convention. However, I think actors, etc. don't want to "come out" and say they are Republican. It's easy for an artist to say they are a Dem. The Democratic party is the more socially inclusive party; that's what you want to be a part of if you are selling something IMO. Unless you are Toby Keith, I don't know how saying you are a Republican would help your brand.

SNL does a good job on their political stuff, but they skewered Trump and Palin. Baldwin was brilliant as Trump, but you know he wanted to make him be the biggest asshole possible. Contrast that to how Hammond portrayed Trump in the primaries and pre-debates. Bill Clinton was portrayed as a lovable womanizer, Obama (his character portrayal was so bland it's hard to remember anything that was negative about him). Both Bushes were portrayed as idiots.

tl;dr Personally, I think media bias is real, particularly if you extend media to the entertainment industry, but the media aren't historically in the tank for the Dems.
 
Not sure if mentioned, but the completely outdated
and unnecessary electoral college, which Trump came out strongly against 4 years ago, is obviously the reason she lost. Is there any argument for it better than the arguments against it?
 
Shooshmoo said:
Not sure if mentioned, but the completely outdated
and unnecessary electoral college, which Trump came out strongly against 4 years ago, is obviously the reason she lost. Is there any argument for it better than the arguments against it?
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Doubt it. Maybe if the popular vote nationally was so close that a recount was required.....that would be a nightmare. Imagine 2000 Florida, but it was the entire country. Each precinct being scrutinized, etc.
 
Because we're not a democracy and we're not the United States of California and New York
 
Shooshmoo said:
Not sure if mentioned, but the completely outdated
and unnecessary electoral college, which Trump came out strongly against 4 years ago, is obviously the reason she lost. Is there any argument for it better than the arguments against it?
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You wanna undo 230 years of constitutional tradition? Good luck tilting against that windmill. If nothing else, the EC makes covering elections much more complicated and interesting.

QC, I appreciate your comments. I don't watch the cable news stations other than WADR, so I won't go there. But I strongly agree with your comments about late night talk show hosts and comedians. Part of me would argue that candidates like Trump and Palin deserved the skewering they got that was much worse than folks like Bush the Elder, McCain and Romney didn't get because Trump and Palin were historically awful. But in watching folks like Sam Bee and Seth Myers, I've been wondering if their skewering has been counter productive. I think middle white America is sending them the same yuge FU that they've sent to the Pub and Dem establishments.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
Problem there though is that traditional add buys as you suggested are not nearly as effective as they have been in the past.
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It wouldn't have taken much. It's unimaginable that anyone would believe Trump would ever change his MO of forty years in business and what he's currently doing. Without these ads most of the people in those states would believe he's on their side. These would go to the core of his candidacy.

It would be like someone saying over and over "I am a God-fearing Christian" while being a leading spokesman supporting atheism.

Whereas a normal ad may not have as much impact, one that is factual and goes to the core of his message will have impact. Further, only seeing one ad over and over lessens the impact of the subject matter. Adding other information and subjects that build on each other will be more effective.

This is on Hilly, Robby Mook, Podesta and her senior staff as well as the Priorities USA Super PAC.
 
cville deac said:
You wanna undo 230 years of constitutional tradition? Good luck tilting against that windmill. If nothing else, the EC makes covering elections much more complicated and interesting.

QC, I appreciate your comments. I don't watch the cable news stations other than WADR, so I won't go there. But I strongly agree with your comments about late night talk show hosts and comedians. Part of me would argue that candidates like Trump and Palin deserved the skewering they got that was much worse than folks like Bush the Elder, McCain and Romney didn't get because Trump and Palin were historically awful. But in watching folks like Sam Bee and Seth Myers, I've been wondering if their skewering has been counter productive. I think middle white America is sending them the same yuge FU that they've sent to the Pub and Dem establishments.
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Tradition, and more complicated and interesting the way it is now. Not really selling it.

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It all seems so simple. Dems just didn't yell at white people enough. Going to need to step that up in 2020. Also, isn't anyone concerned about homophobia and misogyny? Is it just me or do we have a problem with systemic racism in this country? Obviously, Dems need to get to take the focus off skyrocketing health insurance costs, 2% economic growth and erosion of middle class jobs and maybe refocus on the government policy of talking about racial privilege.
 
Shooshmoo said:
Not sure if mentioned, but the completely outdated
and unnecessary electoral college, which Trump came out strongly against 4 years ago, is obviously the reason she lost. Is there any argument for it better than the arguments against it?
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Both candidates ran an electoral college campaign. If it were a popular vote, the campaigns would have been much different and I would expect the results the same. That being said, Im a popular vote guy. One man, one vote.

This might be the last gasp of the rural white voter who has become the forgotten man in the new global economy. And like it or not, Clinton ran a "Im not him" campaign with no vision. That hurt her. No inspiration at all.

I also think the Obamacare rate increases really hurt Clinton. Right or wrong, it was a solid talking point.

Its a shame as I think our country would benefit from a strong female president.
 
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