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STOP SHAMING TRUMP SUPPORTERS

I always enjoy reading these posts that pop up from time to time wherein smug, pompous, self-righteous conservatives complain that smug, pompous, self-righteous liberals annoy them and just "don't get it", yet they never really explain how, if liberals somehow could not appear so smug and pompous to Trumpite conservatives, they might actually win them over or inspire so much hatred (which isn't going to happen.) I believe it was Breitbart which recently made the bizarre claim that smug liberal elitists are deliberately trying to kill conservatives by telling them to get vaccinated, knowing that since it's a smug liberal saying it that said conservatives will refuse to get vaccinated and die. If you're not getting vaccinated because you think liberals are smug and arrogant and so you won't give them the "satisfaction" of getting vaccinated, then I have a hunch that you have bigger problems than thinking liberals are looking down their nose at you.
 
One reason you know jhmd lives his life from a position of privilege is that he doesn't have to concern himself with what other people think. It's just an optional thing he does for shits and giggles, not an important information he needs to navigate the world.
 
Townie, I'm 19 minutes into that video. Do they unpack why unhappy precarious white people vote for politicians who don't have a plan to address their precarity and instead of vote for people who promise to punish immigrants, women, people in prisons, etc?

Finished it. They didn't.

I find it interesting that she said “There’s this illiberal desire to attribute peoples political motivations to something essential to their being that makes them irredeemable” but also seems to think Biden is irredeemable for the crime bill.
 
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PhDeac said:
One reason you know jhmd lives his life from a position of privilege is that he doesn't have to concern himself with what other people think. It's just an optional thing he does for shits and giggles, not an important information he needs to navigate the world.
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Just firing strays into the void again, doc? Weird attempt at a gotcha, but whatever.
 
The fact that you treat a basic observation as a "gotcha" supports the observation. This is just a game to you.

As a Black man, I have to understand the motivations and actions of white men to navigate society. But as a White man, you don't need to understand Black people or any historically marginalized group. It's purely optional.
 
PhDeac said:
Townie, I'm 19 minutes into that video. Do they unpack why unhappy precarious white people vote for politicians who don't have a plan to address their precarity and instead of vote for people who promise to punish immigrants, women, people in prisons, etc?

Finished it. They didn't.

I find it interesting that she said “There’s this illiberal desire to attribute peoples political motivations to something essential to their being that makes them irredeemable” but also seems to think Biden is irredeemable for the crime bill.
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I understand their point re shaming, but there is no alternative at this point (and probably never was). There's no reasoning with or convincing the vast majority. Kudos if you want to try, but it's not fucking happening on a broad scale.

And their bringing up cancel culture and virtue signaling is cringeworthy horseshoe stuff.
 
PhDeac said:
The fact that you treat a basic observation as a "gotcha" supports the observation. This is just a game to you.

As a Black man, I have to understand the motivations and actions of white men to navigate society. But as a White man, you don't need to understand Black people or any historically marginalized group. It's purely optional.
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I don't know how what you're arguing relates to whether or not you guys should shame trump supporters, but I'll bite.

Let's accept your premise. My life is a magic carpet ride. Yours is a constant challenge of meeting the expectations of others. Assuming this is completely true and only this is true, in the words of the great statesperson, what difference, at this point, does it make? What do you propose to do with this information, now that we agree upon it? What policies shall we put forth to punish me for these historical forces? Reward you doubly for yours? Maybe it is policy changes you seek: do you find it healthy and productive to view our respective existences through this prism? Really? This makes things better? I'm all ears, what do you want done?
 
PhDeac said:
The fact that you treat a basic observation as a "gotcha" supports the observation. This is just a game to you.

As a Black man, I have to understand the motivations and actions of white men to navigate society. But as a White man, you don't need to understand Black people or any historically marginalized group. It's purely optional.
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he is confidently ignorant
 
PhDeac said:
I find it interesting that she said “There’s this illiberal desire to attribute peoples political motivations to something essential to their being that makes them irredeemable” but also seems to think Biden is irredeemable for the crime bill.
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that's not essential to his being?
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
the problem is not the size of the sample

there are other ways to have bad data besides insufficient sample sizes -- the number of respondents is not an issue for what the poll is claiming -- can't speak to any other component of their methodology
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This is a good post. In theory the only thing a larger sample size would do is reduce the variance estimates. If the survey questions are biased or the sampling frame is biased then increasing the sample won’t budge the probability estimates, you’d have to reword your questions or re target your samples.
 
WokeandBroke said:
I think a lot of trauma could have been/can still be avoided if you all didn't see out bias confirmation in artificial factors like polls and internet message boards.
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How about you fuck off with this smug shit and present some alternative polling data for us to consider.
 
birdman said:
How about you fuck off with this smug shit and present some alternative polling data for us to consider.
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I've got some more polls for you, Man of the Birds!


Poll: Two-thirds of Republicans still think the 2020 election ...https://news.yahoo.com › poll-two-thirds-of-republican...
Aug 4, 2021 — A majority of Republicans still believe the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump, according to a new Yahoo ...

Most Republicans still believe 2020 election was stolen from ...https://www.theguardian.com › us-news › may › republ...
May 24, 2021 — May opinion poll finds that 53% of Republicans believe Trump is the 'true president' compared with 3% of Democrats.

More Than Half Of Republicans Believe Voter Fraud Claims ...https://www.forbes.com › alisondurkee › 2021/04/05
Apr 5, 2021 — Topline. A majority of Republicans still believe the baseless claim that the presidential election was “stolen” from President Donald Trump and ...

Majority of Republicans still believe the 2020 election was stolenhttps://www.ipsos.com › Ipsos › News & Polls : News
Apr 2, 2021 — Latest Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that Republicans continue to view former President Trump favorably and believe his 2020 election loss was ...

Poll: Most Republicans haven't given up thinking 2020 ...https://www.minnpost.com › eric-black-ink › 2021/05
May 5, 2021 — … recent polls continue to show that more than two-thirds of Republicans believe that the 2020 presidential election was stolen by Democrats.

Polls find most Republicans say 2020 election was stolen - CNNhttps://www.cnn.com › poll-qanon-election-conspiracies
May 28, 2021 — Most Americans reject QAnon-linked conspiracy theories and believe that Donald Trump lost legitimately in 2020, a set of new polling finds.

Significant majority of Republicans don't believe Biden's win ...https://www.nbcnews.com › blog › ncrd1261306
Mar 17, 2021 — Almost two-thirds of Republicans believe that President Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election, even as more than six-in-ten ...

One-third of Americans believe Biden won because of voter ...https://thehill.com › homenews › campaign › 559402-o...
Jun 21, 2021 — Roughly one-third of Americans believe that President Biden's 2020 electoral victory was the result of widespread voter fraud, according to ...

53% of Republicans view Trump as true US president - Reutershttps://www.reuters.com › world › 53-republicans-view-tr...
May 24, 2021 — A majority of Republicans still believe Donald Trump won the 2020 U.S. presidential election and blame his loss to Joe Biden on illegal ...

Most Republicans say the election was stolen - The ...https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2021/01/19
Jan 19, 2021 — Those who dislike Democrats and don't mind white nationalists. That includes plenty of Republicans with college educations. Trump supporters ...
 
Many Republicans believe the election was fixed. But that'shttps://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2020/12/04
Dec 4, 2020 — 13-17 Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 68 percent of Republicans (+/-5) say that the 2020 presidential election was rigged.

Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don't think the election was ...https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/11/09 › republ...
Nov 9, 2020 — After the presidential race was called for Democratic candidate Joe Biden, Republicans' trust in the election system plummeted, ...

Poll: Vast Majority of Republicans Still Believe US Election Washttps://www.farsnews.ir › news › Pll-Vas-Majriy-f-Repb...
Aug 5, 2021 — While only 3% of Democrat respondents believe Trump was robbed, 28% of independents agree that the Republican was the rightful winner, the ...

Poll: Quarter of Americans surveyed say Trump is 'true president'https://www.usatoday.com › news › politics › 2021/05/25
May 25, 2021 — An online Reuters/Ipsos poll of about 2000 Americans finds sharp partisan differences in beliefs on the legitimacy of the 2020 election and ...

Compiling the Truth: A Resource to Refute Trump's “Stolen ...https://campaignlegal.org › update › compiling-truth-re...
5 days ago — Former President Trump and his allies have told lies about the 2020 elections, so here is the truth about what happened.

Most Republicans Believe the 2020 Election was Stolen - PRRIhttps://www.prri.org › Spotlight Analysis
May 12, 2021 — Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from her position as chair of the House Republican Conference due to her refusal to support former President Donald Trump ...

Theft Perception | Democracy Fund Voter Study Grouphttps://www.voterstudygroup.org › publication › theft-...
Jun 3, 2021 — In this report, Lee Drutman looks at Republican perceptions of the 2020 election and reveals a set of beliefs that strongly correlate with ...

Poll finds 65% of Republicans say they don't believe Biden's ...https://www.marketwatch.com › story › poll-finds-65-of-r...
Feb 5, 2021 — Former President Donald Trump and his allies disputed the outcome of the 2020 election for months, arguing without evidence that it was stolen ...

Nearly two out of three Republicans believe Biden stole the ...https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › US politics
Aug 4, 2021 — Former President Donald Trump. ... Nearly two in three Republicans still believe the lies about President Joe Biden stealing the 2020 election ...

Most Republicans Still Won't Accept That Biden Wonhttps://fivethirtyeight.com › features › most-republicans...
May 7, 2021 — A big majority of Republicans still won't accept the presidential election results. President Biden took office more than three months ago, but ...
 
May want to include the “poll” of newly elected Republican lawmakers hours after their supporters stormed the Capitol building.

TenaciousKory said:
"I was born a crime bill but I identify as an infrastructure bill"

this is the future liberals want
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That’s pretty funny.

I also don’t want “Nazis and fascists are bad but centrist impact my life more” hand waving either.
 
Don't worry shoo. The ship is turning. donnie jenius is about to be left behind!
 
WokeandBroke said:
I don't know how what you're arguing relates to whether or not you guys should shame trump supporters, but I'll bite.

Let's accept your premise. My life is a magic carpet ride. Yours is a constant challenge of meeting the expectations of others. Assuming this is completely true and only this is true, in the words of the great statesperson, what difference, at this point, does it make? What do you propose to do with this information, now that we agree upon it? What policies shall we put forth to punish me for these historical forces? Reward you doubly for yours? Maybe it is policy changes you seek: do you find it healthy and productive to view our respective existences through this prism? Really? This makes things better? I'm all ears, what do you want done?
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Holy shit. You really are a horrible human.
 
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