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Hell Trump won by being less conservative.
 
I'd rather keep losing and be on the right side of the issues, which i believe the Dem party is for the most part.
 
WakeandBake said:
I disagree and maybe Im a dumbass, but I've been following politics as long as I can remember. Reassess everything because you had a beat-down candidate lose a low-turnout election to a populist who promises unrealistic solutions? No tariff is going to bring those jobs back to Wisconsin and Michigan. Coal is really bad for the environment and makes people sick, we don't need to bring coal jobs back we need to re-tool West Virginia and Penn.

What reassessment needs to be done, start promising pie in the sky trickle-down bullshit and anti-globalization policy? That is shit we know is wrong and is not good for the country. Do we embrace bad policy just to win, and then reject it? Is it about winning, or doing what is right??

Gloat away in your victory over the candidate you have feared and loathed for decades, but you opened a chasm and in walked someone worse. I'm not scared of Trump, I just think he is really uninformed and he is lying to these people just to keep them adoring him. But he will disappoint not just those supporters, but everyone.
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No, you reassess everything because you've lost the White House, the House of Representatives, the Senate, a majority of governorships and state legislatures. #realnews That's why you should reassess everything.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Why don't the voters who decide elections agree with you?
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I think there are a lot of reasons why the political pendulum swings between the parties.

I think promises of low taxes will always resonate with a large swath of voters, and I think the long con of trickle-down economics has a lot of people fooled.

I think the foolish specter of Socialism/communism is still strong in many voters and it is easy to convince them that even the common sense application of social solutions is a 'slippery slope" in to RED AMERICA.

there are many others

I think fake news is certainly a factor, and your denial of it I believe to be disingenuous.

I think this PC thing is a great scapegoat for many Americans who just think some people are bad.

I think the fear of not having a gun by their side is powerful in many.
 
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WakeandBake said:
I think there are a lot of reasons why the political pendulum swings between the parties.

I think promises of low taxes will always resonate with a large swath of voters, and I think the long con of trickle-down economics has a lot of people fooled.

I think the foolish specter of Socialism/communism is still strong in many voters and it is easy to convince them that even the common sense application of social solutions is a 'slippery slope" in to RED AMERICA.

there are many others

I think fake news is certainly a factor, and your denial of it I believe to be disingenuous.
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TownieDeac said:
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So can we stop with the notion that libs have no idea why they lost? How many acknowledgements will it take that the Dems ran a god-awful candidate and that their strategy was flawed?
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Fine, Townie. W&B doesn't know why he lost. #notalllibs
 
TownieDeac said:
Sailor is another case in goddamned point about this election cycle and facts just completely and utterly not mattering. He, who equates fascism with socialism. He who in the same breath says #yesAllMuslims and #notAllCops. He who gets his news only from a tiny corner of the far right wing, but then accuses others of being polemical and stuck in a liberal echo chamber. He who rails against the American elite from a foreign academy of higher learning.

At least with Deacs89 you get the sense that he's barely capable of cogent thought, and with jhmd it's all shits and giggles. Sailor seems far more dangerous in that he embraces being disingenuous, misinterprets/misuses language to his benefit, and winks at some scary ideas short of fully embracing them.
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Yes. 1000x this.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Fine, Townie. W&B doesn't know why he lost. #notalllibs
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I think time will tell. I'm not buying that less than 200,000 votes between Mich Penn and Wisconsin signal what you are trying to ascribe it to. It was a limp across the finish line for Trump, not a revolution. You are pretending something is afoot here, and it simply isn't. Not to the level you believe it to be.

I conceded that she was a damaged candidate, and a woman which didn't help. I mean, women were wearing "Trump can grab my pussy" shirts, jhmd. This was a reality show.
 
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WakeandBake said:
I think time will tell. I'm not buying that less than 200,000 votes between Mich Penn and Wisconsin signal what you are trying to ascribe it to. It was a limp across the finish line for Trump, not a revolution. You are pretending something is afoot here, and it simply isn't. Not to the level you believe it to be.

I conceded that she was a damaged candidate, and a woman which didn't help. I mean, women were wearing "Trump can grab my pussy" shirts, jhmd. This was a reality show.
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The low turnout is telling you the same thing 59M Trump voters told you: they don't believe your party when they promise to fix their problems for them. If they did, they would have voted for her. They don't believe my party either, FWIW. We ran 17 versions of Not Trump and the voters picked him over all of them. This wasn't a referendum on Trump, it was a referendum on you and me. We lost.
 
jhmd2000 said:
The low turnout is telling you the same thing 59M Trump voters told you: they don't believe your party when they promise to fix their problems for them. If they did, they would have voted for her. They don't believe my party either, FWIW. We ran 17 versions of Not Trump and the voters picked him over all of them. This wasn't a referendum on Trump, it was a referendum on you and me. We lost.
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ok, fine. But do you believe Trump is right about any of his proposed solutions? If you do not, which I dont think yo do or you would have voted for him, then you must admit that these 50m voters were fooled into voting for him by a misunderstanding of the proper solutions, or out of spite like our hard-headed brethren BKF and BSF.
 
WakeandBake said:
ok, fine. But do you believe Trump is right about any of his proposed solutions? If you do not, which I dont think yo do or you would have voted for him, then you must admit that these 50m voters were fooled into voting for him by a misunderstanding of the proper solutions, or out of spite like our hard-headed brethren BKF and BSF.
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This. Is. What. F-U. Looks. Like.

2016 was the American equivalent of losing a vote of confidence. That's what happened. Most Trump voters put at much stock in "The Wall" as they do "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." They've been voting for candidates that promised "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" for 20 years and never delivered (because they don't believe it was a real issue, but needed the lip service payments to secure the votes). The Rubes(TM) knew that the Parties were lying to them, so they said F-U. They know more than you think they know.
 
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jhmd2000 said:
This. Is. What. F-U. Looks. Like.

2016 was the American equivalent of losing a vote of confidence. That's what happened. Most Trump voters put at much stock in "The Wall" as they do "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." They've been voting for candidates that promised "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" for 20 years and never delivered (because they don't believe it was a real issue, but needed the lip service payments to secure the votes). The Rubes(TM) knew that the Parties were lying to them, so they said F-U. They know more than you think they know.
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I don't think they do, I think they were bamboozled. And lots of Dems didn't turn out thinking that she had it wrapped up and they didnt need to. this was a razor thin margin.

I think gerrymandering is working for the incumbent party.

I think the Senate is pretty much even
 
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WakeandBake said:
I don't think they do, I think they were bamboozled. And lots of Dems didn't turn out thinking that she had it wrapped up and they didnt need to. this was a razor thin margin.

I think gerrymandering is working for the incumbent party.

I think the Senate is pretty much even
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They fell for someone else's hustle this time, then? Shake it off, Taylor. You'll get 'em in 2020.
 
well, i was sort of meh on the fake news BS until Thanksgiving with my in-laws. they are all very right wing, not that there is anything wrong with that, but this nonsense they were spewing had no semblance of truth. it was rather shocking
 
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jhmd2000 said:
They fell for someone else's hustle this time, then? Shake it off, Taylor. You'll get 'em in 2020.
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Except I don't see women's rights, gay rights, environmental protection, consumer protection, health care for all,etc as hustles, jhmd. I am a true believer in the ability of government to solve problems and level the playing field.

But you are right, they (almost exclusively GOP voters albeit in smaller turnout) fell for yet another hustle, just like they did with trickle-down and the Christian-right and the Iraq war. Nice work
 
Have you figured out most Americans don't share your limitless faith in government? They are trying to tell you that, if you will listen.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Have you figured out most Americans don't share your limitless faith in government? They are trying to tell you that, if you will listen.
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No, and f you are using this popular POTUS vote as a barometer, then not "most" my friend.

Also, I think they do, when it is their problems they want solved. Your revered Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin voters want this Trump government to do quite a bit for them, despite the fact that they fell for false promises and bogeyman rhetoric. No, only a small subset believes in and benefits from the small-government charade you have sworn allegiance to.
 
WakeandBake said:
No, and f you are using this popular POTUS vote as a barometer, then not "most" my friend.

Also, I think they do, when it is their problems they want solved. Your revered Michigan, Penn, and Wisconsin voters want this Trump government to do quite a bit for them, despite the fact that they fell for false promises and bogeyman rhetoric. No, only a small subset believes in and benefits from the small-government charade you have sworn allegiance to.
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Low turnout is talking. You listening or no?
 
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