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Rejecting words and actions which perpetrate, support or encourage white supremacists

Yeah. A year ago these people had a president that they approve of at near 90% and they had the Senate and House and about 2/3 of state legislatures. And they were still angry. If political power isn’t enough for them. What more do they want?
 
Yeah. A year ago these people had a president that they approve of at near 90% and they had the Senate and House and about 2/3 of state legislatures. And they were still angry. If political power isn’t enough for them. What more do they want?

To be able to afford a house and a lawn with the wife at home preparing a nice meal for them by the time they get home from 5:30 from an honest day's work down at the plant.
 
To be able to afford a house and a lawn with the wife at home preparing a nice meal for them by the time they get home from 5:30 from an honest day's work down at the plant.

True. And many of them blame women, immigrants, and Democrats for not having that. They should blame their own mediocrity and Republicans for destroying the economy with conservative policy.
 
True. And many of them blame women, immigrants, and Democrats for not having that. They should blame their own mediocrity and Republicans for destroying the economy with conservative policy.

Not so much immigrants, but they are correct that globalization has hurt them. The immigrants are willing to take the low paying jobs and in essence affects supply and demand depressing wages across the board and the people in other countries are willing to work in the plant for a fraction of the costs. Republicans through breaking up the unions and generally siding with corporations and cutting the safety net have hurt, and the Dems were taking the corporate money as well. Sanders and Warren are the first to really beat that drum and get some traction. And the Dems brought on NAFTA, so both sides have effectively worked to screw the middle/lower classes. Republicans are just better at messaging. Kinda hard to blame McDonalds if you like your Big Macs and that's the only place where you can get a meal for $5. Explaining how corporations are bad is hard. There's never a consensus in economics even amongst economists. Much easier to blame the brown folks. We're posting on a message boards that means we're in what the top 5-10% of the country generally? It might just be human nature to want to feel superior to others. To be competitive. We get our superiority fix by generally knowing we're smarter than the rubes. They get theirs by feeling superior to other races. White people have generally been conquerers, when that ego gets threatened, it lashes out.

I mean my mom switched from a Dem to Pub sometime after 9/11 and is blaming socialism and listening to Fox News every night, meanwhile she's got less than a $1,000 in the bank, and all of her income is from Social Security and Medicare. Then again at the same time I make 6x more than she ever did and it feels like I was richer growing up cause I had a huge yard that came with our $100k house. That same house now would run me about $3 mil where I had to move to get any kind of decent job stability, and I'm still paying off my college loans. (Should be done in 4 months!).

These 20 somethings today are coming out with the only chance to succeed is either to be in the 5% that gets born rich, the 5% that gets scholarships, or the 90% that comes out with $150k in student loans. Or be a social media influencer. Otherwise, you need to couple up early and live that dual income life to afford your rent and combine incomes to make it work. If you're a weirdo who ain't gonna be able to land a girl, then you're stuck getting radicalized on the internet all day.
 
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You’re not necessarily wrong. But I would say globalization was inevitable and conservative economic policy left workers unprepared.
 
You’re not necessarily wrong. But I would say globalization was inevitable and conservative economic policy left workers unprepared.

It's incorrect to blame it solely on conservative economic policy. The dems were in bed with the corporations just as much as the pubs were. And NAFTA was a dem policy with very real effects.

The conservative economic policies disproportionally aimed to hurt the poor blacks in the south. Both parties hurt the poor whites everywhere.
 
Not all the blame, maybe, but I'd certainly say that most of the blame lies with conservative economic policy. Bill Clinton supported NAFTA (something which many working-class whites still bitterly recall, as I can attest from seeing relatives back in my NC hometown), but most congressional Democrats actually opposed it. It passed mainly with support from congressional Republicans (which working-class folks conveniently ignore). I think some of the anger working-class whites feel towards Democrats is the feeling that they were the "working man's party", and they were sold out. The Democrats have become more of the party of coastal dwellers and urbanites, so there is some truth in that, but I don't think there's any denying that Dem economic policies overall still offer far more help and support for the average person than GOP policies do, yet they resolutely vote Republican anyway (look at all of the current articles on how farmers are being affected by Trump's trade wars.) After all, the laissez-faire capitalism that many working-class folks claim to support and vote for in GOP candidates is what has led to the job outsourcing and automation and other profit-driven corporate policies that have hurt them and their hometowns so much.

Also, as somebody that grew up in small-town NC in the 80s when there were still plenty of factory jobs, in retrospect it's clear why these towns have taken such a tumble. In many cases their entire economy and lifestyle was built around one or two manufacturing industries. In my town it was mostly furniture factories. There was relatively little interest in education or learning about the wider world (except among the local gentry, who sent their kids on to college), because they thought you didn't need it. High school was something you had to get through until you went to work in the furniture plant your dad worked in, or textile mill, and that was it. Some didn't even finish high school, but just dropped out and went straight to the factory. Well, these people and their younger peers are now screwed. But instead of realizing that the world has changed, they just blame others and get angrier and more resentful. Complaints about how Charlotte and Raleigh are getting all of the good jobs, about how you have to have a college degree to get anything decent, about how the county is now "dead", and so on. But few of these people are willing to change their lives - go back to community college or a four-year college and get a degree, or learn a new trade, or do what they need to do. They just live in the past and complain about everything, and want the factories to come back. No doubt globalization has hurt them, but they're also not completely blameless in their own demise either. These little one or two industry manufacturing towns and cities were a disaster waiting to happen, and now it finally has happened.
 
It's incorrect to blame it solely on conservative economic policy. The dems were in bed with the corporations just as much as the pubs were. And NAFTA was a dem policy with very real effects.

The conservative economic policies disproportionally aimed to hurt the poor blacks in the south. Both parties hurt the poor whites everywhere.

NAFTA is a false boogeyman. First of all, the textile jobs that were lost in the 90s and beyond never stopped in Mexico. They went directly to south Asia. Our exports to Mexico have gone from about $41B in 1993 to $265B in 2018. That created more jobs (and better paying jobs) than we lost.

One of the biggest problems with NAFTA was the insane subsidies we paid our corn farmers. It allowed them to sell corn and corn based products into Mexico at prices far below what Mexican farmers could raise the products. This was a major big impetus for migration from Mexico to the US in the 90s.

There are definitely some problems with NAFTA, but it is not all the way most present it. We needed to do things like improve environmental compliance, make Mexican vehicles entering the US be at US safety standards and raising wages in Mexico.

But the reality is we are kicking Mexico's ass in trade.
 
That’s a good thread. Good to see some people in the press calling this out for what it is. This article brilliantly articulates what the GOP is doing.

https://crooked.com/articles/beto-trump-media/

You can’t connect the dots here if you’re unable to grapple with the possibility that Trump orchestrated a far-reaching criminal coverup. Or that he’s intentionally encouraged others to to break the law or abuse their powers to help him win election and re-election. The dots encircle the hatred he’s incited, the violence he’s condoned, the impunity he seeks for supporters, the retaliatory measures he takes against his enemies, his attempts to coerce big media companies and tech platforms like CNN, the Washington Post, and Google to toe a party line, and cluster most heavily around his relationship with Russia. Why does Trump continue to deny that the Russian government committed crimes to help his campaign and that its attacks on our elections continue? Why did he want to place a crony who espouses those same lies in charge of the intelligence community?

The answers to these questions are no more reassuring or elusive than the answer to the question that bedevils the political establishment most of all: Why does Trump constantly stoke hatred of immigrants and Muslims and minorities? They are all easy to answer if you can acknowledge that Trump is engaged in a fundamentally malevolent project. The inability to do that, and the attendant unwillingness to connect the dots around it, has given rise to a media failure that in some ways exceeds the 2002 and 2003 coverage of the build up to war in Iraq. The consequences of this more recent failure have not been as catastrophic, not so far anyhow, but at least back then the fact that the Bush administration was building a case for war with Iraq didn’t escape the notice even of the reporters who most eagerly laundered its lies and propaganda.

Today, before our eyes, Trump and his allies seek to crush the foundations of multiracial democracy and replace them with a white ethnostate where the ruling class directs violence at scapegoat communities to create the climate it needs to get away with looting the country and dismantling all checks on its power. If you can see that, and articulate it, you don’t ask what Trump might do to make things better, or say he “urges unity vs. racism.” If you can’t see it, or your job requires you to blind yourself to it, you must treat his ultimate purposes as an impenetrable mystery. You might explain away his efforts to end an investigation of an attack on the United States, and his coziness with the perpetrator, as impulses of a man who merely worries the Russia matter undermines his legitimacy. You might marvel at his occasional, scripted, disingenuous condemnations of all the forces he has fostered, and chase down Democrats to ask them if they think Trump is racist. But seriously: What the fuck?
 
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Trump is lucky about one thing regarding all the deaths and injuries his racist, white supremacist statements have caused. Because his hands are historically tiny, he won't be able to get much blood on them.
 
Dumbass. The Miami Hispanics support Trump too.
 
Dumbass. The Miami Hispanics support Trump too.

Lol, I know. Was thinking the same thing.



...and now that we have established that you can be charged for plotting a crime, we can look at that Trump obstruction again.


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No doubt there are plenty of Trumpites who don't care if minorities support Trump or not, or vote Republican or not, they still don't like them and want them "kept in their place."
 
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