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Middle East: Saudis Murder & Dismember Washington Post Contributor

At least Obama made a deal. What evidence is there that the Great Negotiator currently occupying the White House has the capacity to make a deal, much less one that is good for America, with any foreign power?

Also keep up the Obama as Chamberlain routine, it's so very Fox News 2015.
 
At least Obama made a deal. What evidence is there that the Great Negotiator currently occupying the White House has the capacity to make a deal, much less one that is good for America, with any foreign power?

Also keep up the Obama as Chamberlain routine, it's so very Fox News 2015.

Have you seen the masterful deal that Trump worked out with N. Korea? Trump is greater than Churchill and Roosevelt combined!
 
Iran does not want a war with the US; they want a deal. As long as we don't send Obama - aka Neville Chamberlain without an umbrella - to negotiate with them, it's OK to talk to them to see what kind of deal they might be willing to accept.

why would they make a deal with Trump when he doesn't live up to or cancels deals he no longer likes
 
Come on, everyone is sued over 3000 times in business like Trump was before taking office. His word is ironclad.

Look at how he has negotiated with Putin.
 
Pretty solid summary:

 
This plus the good economy plus a nothingberger impeachment trials is going to win the election for Trump.

I disagree. I think there are tons of people who are scared to death and just hoping he doesn't fuck up the entire world and don't want to risk another 4 years. That's enough for a couple percent swing in the swing states that he barely won last go-round.
 
A bullet was dodged last night solely because he was too sundowned to respond. To a crisis he is solely responsible for starting. And who’s to say he won’t turn around tomorrow and do something anyway.

Even sailor the jackass was concerned yesterday because he knows there was a bad toddler with his finger on the button.
 
to relieve the economic pressure that could/will lead to domestic instability

Trump's attack ended the domestic instability b y shifting the opponents to hating Trump and the US. As is the case in about 90% of his decisions, Trump made a terrible one to any rational person.
 
Guys we have a problem.
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This approach worked very well in Cuba over a 70 year period, should be successful here.

Iranians are not the same as Cubans. A lot of them, especially the ones that count economically and professionally, hate Mullahs and their pointless, endless Shiite Middle Eastern imperialism.
 
another great moment for CNN, nice job assholes:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-international-guest-iran-hostage-takers-spokesperson

CNN International doesn't mention guest was spokesperson for Iranian hostage-takers during 1979 crisis


What have we learned about Iran in the 40 years since the hostage crisis?
CNN International anchor Christiane Amanpour spoke with Iranian vice president for women and global affairs Massoumeh Ebtekar on Tuesday but failed to mention Ebtekar played a key role in the 1979 Iran hostage crisis.

Amanpour began by asking Ebtekar if Iran would “respond” to American calls for de-escalation, and critics didn't appreciate her lengthy answer.

“Ebtekar took that question and offered a long-winded answer that gushed over CNN showing ‘millions who are marching in support and in commemoration of...the Commander of the Hearts’ against the Americans having ‘taken a terrorist action’ in ‘assassinat[ing]’ Soleimani,” NewsBusters managing editor Curtis Houck wrote.

Houck also noted that Amanpour “failed to note to viewers that [Ebtekar] was a spokeswoman for the 1979 hostage-takers during the Iranian revolution that seized 52 Americans.”

A spokesperson for CNN International did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

On Nov. 4, 1979, Iranian militants seized the U.S. embassy in Tehran and took 52 American diplomats as hostages. They were held captive for 444 days and the crisis is widely considered a major point of departure for traditional diplomacy between the nations.

Back in 1988, The New York Times reported that Ebtekar “was the official interpreter and spokeswoman of the militants who occupied the American Embassy in Teheran” because of her ability to speak English.


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Iran's regime can always count on @CNN to push its talking points. Today it gave VP Masoumeh Ebtekar 16 mins to portray the terrorist Soleimani as the victim.@camanpour didn't mention that her guest was Spox for 1979 US Embassy hostage takers
Compare Ebtekar's remarks now & then

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Reporter M. Hanif Jazayeri circulated decades-old footage on Tuesday of Ebtekar declaring she would kill Americans if needed back in 1979 at the height of the crisis.

A reporter is heard asking, “Could you personally lift up a gun and put it to the head of one of these people and kill him?”

Ebtekar simply responded, “Yes.”

President Trump recently tweeted that he identified 52 Iranian sites to hit if Iran attacks Americans or U.S. assets, representing the 52 Americans who were held while Ebtekar was working with the hostage-takers.


During the interview with Amanpour, Ebtekar also called the killing of Soleimani a “terrible assassination.”

In April 2019, the State Department announced Iran was responsible for killing 608 U.S. troops during the Iraq War. Soleimani was the head of the Iranian and Iranian-backed forces carrying out those operations. According to the State Department, Soleimani orchestrated some 17 percent of all deaths of U.S. personnel in Iraq from 2003 to 2011. Despite that history, several prominent Democrats and liberal media members have condemned Trump for ordering the drone strike that killed him.

Fox News’ Frank Miles contributed to this repor
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Iranians are not the same as Cubans. A lot of them, especially the ones that count economically and professionally, hate Mullahs and their pointless, endless Shiite Middle Eastern imperialism.

And most of those leave if they can, just like the most affluent Cubans got out.

It's the same problem, because in both cases the US is offering the same deal: if you want peace with the US, all you have to do is change your entire system of government so that all the people who are currently in power have no power, and people who currently have no power but that the US likes more (or who have good lobbyists/business connections in the US) are in charge. We are asking the people who are in charge to sign a warrant for their own downfall and impoverishment at best, exile or death at worst. So the people in charge are never going to make that deal.

So then the argument is, well, we'll put so much pressure on them that the society will crack and they'll have a rebellion and put someone better in place. Only a few problems with that: 1. Broken dysfunctional societies don't tend to end up being led by George Washington types even if there is a rebellion. Examples: Egypt, Russia (I understand that Sailor may think that Putin is a great leader, but that's not the consensus view). 2a. More likely outcome is long term civil war, resulting in massive human suffering. Examples: Libya, Syria. or 2b. the rebellion fails, and the tyrant tightens his grip. Example: Turkey. 3. There's little evidence that the US is actually capable of making this happen. Examples: Cuba since 1950, Iran since 1979. 4. The actual outcome is just a lot of human suffering in the name of regime change.

Obama's foreign policy left a lot to be desired, but with respect to Iran he operated within the realm of what was realistically possible. He got a deal to keep the Middle East from going nuclear, and did it with minimum human suffering (no wars or rebellions to get that result). And it was working just fine for the purpose intended until President Cheeto blew it up because he can't stand the sight of anything Obama did, and can't get over Iran dissing the US by taking hostages in 1980 (or dissing him on Twitter, for that matter). So now we're back to maximum human suffering for minimum results.
 
and while I was busy typing that post, I see that the best Sailor and Fox News can come up with is.... more fixation on stuff that happened in 1979. Yeah, we get it, there were some bad dudes involved in the 79 revolution. many of them are still in power in Iran. Gosh let's make sure to mention that every 30 seconds so Fox News doesn't gotcha us.
 
The donald has verifiably lied more than 15k times to the public since taking office. Dat cnn doe...
 
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