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Middle East: Saudis Murder & Dismember Washington Post Contributor

Deacon923 said:
And most of those leave if they can, just like the most affluent Cubans got out.

It's the same problem, because in both cases the US is offering the same deal: if you want peace with the US, all you have to do is change your entire system of government so that all the people who are currently in power have no power, and people who currently have no power but that the US likes more (or who have good lobbyists/business connections in the US) are in charge. We are asking the people who are in charge to sign a warrant for their own downfall and impoverishment at best, exile or death at worst. So the people in charge are never going to make that deal.

So then the argument is, well, we'll put so much pressure on them that the society will crack and they'll have a rebellion and put someone better in place. Only a few problems with that: 1. Broken dysfunctional societies don't tend to end up being led by George Washington types even if there is a rebellion. Examples: Egypt, Russia (I understand that Sailor may think that Putin is a great leader, but that's not the consensus view). 2a. More likely outcome is long term civil war, resulting in massive human suffering. Examples: Libya, Syria. or 2b. the rebellion fails, and the tyrant tightens his grip. Example: Turkey. 3. There's little evidence that the US is actually capable of making this happen. Examples: Cuba since 1950, Iran since 1979. 4. The actual outcome is just a lot of human suffering in the name of regime change.

Obama's foreign policy left a lot to be desired, but with respect to Iran he operated within the realm of what was realistically possible. He got a deal to keep the Middle East from going nuclear, and did it with minimum human suffering (no wars or rebellions to get that result). And it was working just fine for the purpose intended until President Cheeto blew it up because he can't stand the sight of anything Obama did, and can't get over Iran dissing the US by taking hostages in 1980 (or dissing him on Twitter, for that matter). So now we're back to maximum human suffering for minimum results.
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Nah, it will work this time. Just like trickle down.
 
It's kinda shocking to me that the powerful republican members in congress haven't banded together to keep Trump in line a bit for the sake of actually running the country efficiently. Instead, they've all kissed the ring and are terrified and just let the whole government burn.
 
palmab03 said:
It's kinda shocking to me that the powerful republican members in congress haven't banded together to keep Trump in line a bit for the sake of actually running the country efficiently. Instead, they've all kissed the ring and are terrified and just let the whole government burn.
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Letting government burn is the republican goal.
 
palmab03 said:
It's kinda shocking to me that the powerful republican members in congress haven't banded together to keep Trump in line a bit for the sake of actually running the country efficiently. Instead, they've all kissed the ring and are terrified and just let the whole government burn.
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Governing is hard, even if you’ve got all the power. Undoing everything Obama and Democrats did is much easier and generally lines the pockets of bad people who then line the pockets of Republican Senators. Rinse, repeat.
 
palmab03 said:
It's kinda shocking to me that the powerful republican members in congress haven't banded together to keep Trump in line a bit for the sake of actually running the country efficiently. Instead, they've all kissed the ring and are terrified and just let the whole government burn.
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Trump’s popularity among Republicans voters has never wavered. They love the guy. Republican lawmakers want to keep getting paid, so they fall in line. It’s also what Republicans do. When is the last time you remember significant numbers or republican lawmakers standing up to a republican president? John McCain’s cute little thumbs down is about it.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Trump’s popularity among Republicans voters has never wavered. They love the guy. Republican lawmakers want to keep getting paid, so they fall in line. It’s also what Republicans do. When is the last time you remember significant numbers or republican lawmakers standing up to a republican president? John McCain’s cute little thumbs down is about it.
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#charisma
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Letting government burn is the republican goal.
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Yep. It's almost as if Republicans are still pissed about the Progressive Era and New Deal and New Frontier and Great Society, so they've been waging a vendetta for literally a hundred years to overturn and reverse all of it and make it as if these programs and liberal successes never happened. What's frightening is how close they are to doing it.
 
I figured it would be sailor with some shit about “move out then!!” but you are second best.
 
Grabs Turds Bare said:
Woof. Do you travel?
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Grabs, at least admit as a native born white guy living within the borders, you don’t have anything to fear from the cops, white nationalists, ICE, or the military but plenty of other people who aren’t actually do.
 
Dude these conservative children cannot fathom that the US policies in the Middle East since pre WWII have been an unmitigated disaster at best and have caused immeasurable unnecessary suffering. Even CATO institute acknowledges that. Get your heads out of your asses
 
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