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Wake Forest Football Recruiting
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tigerswood
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If Clawson doesn't let him play basketball (and he wants to), that's absurd as the NCPOY, regardless of competition. Hopefully he can be the new Rusty.
The Collegiate Commissioners Association approved a 72-hour early signing period that will begin on December 20, 2017. This has been in the works and widely reported, but now it has gained the last layer of approval necessary. So it may be a "go".
My guess is that Clawson won't like it. That assumes that he thinks that it will divert staff attention away from game prep. That would be the case if, for example, official visit weekends were pushed up into game weekends. But the 12/20 date will leave almost a full month between the end of the season and the early signing period, so perhaps he will be OK with that.
There will be A LOT of intrigue nationally about who does and who does not sign at the early date. Will some "committed" recruits pass on the early signing day just in case a bigger offer comes along? There is speculation that many of the top 300ish players will keep their options open and pass on the early signing period. But what about players outside the top 300?
My guess is that Clawson won't like it. That assumes that he thinks that it will divert staff attention away from game prep. That would be the case if, for example, official visit weekends were pushed up into game weekends. But the 12/20 date will leave almost a full month between the end of the season and the early signing period, so perhaps he will be OK with that.
There will be A LOT of intrigue nationally about who does and who does not sign at the early date. Will some "committed" recruits pass on the early signing day just in case a bigger offer comes along? There is speculation that many of the top 300ish players will keep their options open and pass on the early signing period. But what about players outside the top 300?
If Colburn had sign in December, he could not have been Petrino-ed. I see your point about Clawson moving on to greener pastures, which hasn't happen to a Wake HC since Mackovic went to the Dallas Cowboys. But I think he's the only one in the last century to do so.
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What if you already have the offer you want? It will be interesting to see what QBs do. They end up committing so early these days; however, they may be the most influenced be the scheme a team utilizes. If you are a pro-style QB and the team you sign with fires the coach and replaces him with a spread QB, you're probably looking at a real bad fit.
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What's the benefit of the November signing period for basketball?
Why doesn't every hoop recruit wait until April to sign?
The early signing period benefits recruits in several ways:
- Ends the recruiting process which is a pain in the arse. If you know where you want to go by December and most football recruits do, it brings a certain end to the process.
- It benefits players that plan to enroll in January. For those early enrollees, it brings an enforceable commitment from the school before the January recruit enrolls.
- Keeps schools from pulling a scholly at the last minute.
Also, it can benefit the school as they will know heading into the last recruiting push whether a "commit" is in or continuing to consider options.
Why doesn't every hoop recruit wait until April to sign?
The early signing period benefits recruits in several ways:
- Ends the recruiting process which is a pain in the arse. If you know where you want to go by December and most football recruits do, it brings a certain end to the process.
- It benefits players that plan to enroll in January. For those early enrollees, it brings an enforceable commitment from the school before the January recruit enrolls.
- Keeps schools from pulling a scholly at the last minute.
Also, it can benefit the school as they will know heading into the last recruiting push whether a "commit" is in or continuing to consider options.
It would help Claw with the 5th year options if we will have a thin depth chart at a position, (JUCOs for other programs). For us, it might shake lose some guys from the Big Boys, if they see a long line in front of them.
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Unless I'm missing something, most schools/teams would still grant players waivers in the event of a coaching change to allow them to sign a LOI with another school. So I don't think that necessarily has a big effect.
More so if a QB (or any position) signs with a school early, and then they recruit over him and sign a 4/5 star in the same class.
More so if a QB (or any position) signs with a school early, and then they recruit over him and sign a 4/5 star in the same class.
Scout named Sam Hartman as one of the pleasant surprises at The Opening / Elite 11 in Charlotte. He drew some praise from 247 as well. He's had a good spring for sure. I'd like to know if he is in contention for one of the last spots in the Elite 11 finals.
Hey '94 are you just not feeling it these days?
Sure miss my morning recruiting fix. I assume not much is going on at the moment. When do summer camps start?
Elijah Brown, a DT out of Providence Day in CLT just named Wake and NCSU his leaders. A tiny bit under the radar currently but I like his tape and I think he's going to get some more offers as the summer goes on. Will be an interesting one to watch as i'm not sure where he fit's on each schools board.
Alright, folks. It’s time to start following football recruiting again. Camps start on Friday. As a reminder, the camps are a really big part of Wake’s recruiting process. The current staff relies heavily on the evaluations obtained in this setting. While there are certainly offers extended that are committable before camps start, there are also many that are likely contingent on camp performance. So who the staff gets to come to these camps, and how those recruits perform, is a big, big deal. There might not be another P5 program where the summer camps have a bigger impact on who ends up in the class.
I’m eager to see who makes it to Winston-Salem for these camps and who emerges as top targets for Wake.
For starters, here is the updated Deac94 Big Board:
Next, I’ve used a Q&A format to give my views of where Wake stands with recruiting and what to expect in the next 60-75 days.
How many spots are left in total? What positions? How many commits are expected this summer?
I think there are approximately 10 more spots in this class. I think that we could see 8-9 of those spots fill in the next 60-75 days.
I would expect more one commit at each of the following positions: RB, TE, Slot WR, Outside WR, OL, DE, and LB. Then two DBs. That would leave one more spot which would probably go to a DT, a second LB, or another receiver.
Who are the top targets going into camp season?
It’s been unusually difficult to figure out the top remaining targets this year. However, I’d name three at this point: TE BEN BRESNAHAN (West Forsyth HS / Cumming, GA), RB MATAEO DURANT (McCormick HS / McCormick, SC) and DL DAVONTAE McCRAE (Northwestern HS / Miami, FL).
Bresnahan has appeared to be a top target since we started talking about this class. Wake didn’t take a TE in the last class and the roster is light on candidates to replace Cam Serigne in the TE role that is more of a threat in the passing game (remember that there are two TE roles in Wake’s offense). Bresnahan has a big offer sheet that includes some SEC schools. He is thought to top the TE boards at three schools: Wake, Vanderbilt and Minnesota. That sets up an intriguing battle with two familiar recruiting foes. Also, don’t count out Tennessee if the Vols miss on some other targets.
Durant attended Wake’s Junior Day and seems like an ideal fit for Wake (both on and off the field). But he’s also thought to be a top target for both Duke and Virginia Tech. So expect a tough battle to land him.
McCrae has P5 offers from Tennessee, Louisville, NC State, Oregon State, and Purdue. Wake is thought to be his leader at the moment. He visited on April 12 and plans to return again in June. NC State is probably the main threat in his recruitment, although I’m also watching UCF. They just landed a commitment from a friend/teammate of McCrae’s.
Whoa…there are a lot of receivers on the list! What’s up with that?
Indeed. The WR offers have been flying out the door. 40% of the recruits on my Big Board are WRs. I think the staff is trying to get a lot of receivers into camp. It will be interesting to see how many actually come in and how many spots will be used for WRs. In any scenario I think those spots will be very competitive.
How is the RB picture looking?
I’ve already mentioned the Wake/Duke/VT battle for MATAEO DURANT, but those same three schools have also offered CALEB STEWARD (Ed White HS / Jacksonville, FL). However, it’s possible that Wake might prefer JA’VEON MARLOW (Winter Haven / Winter Haven, FL) or TIJAI WHATLEY (Darlington HS / Rome, GA).
Earlier in the cycle, Marlow was linked with open RB spots and both Vanderbilt and Nebraska but I’m not sure where those stand at the moment. Wake was P5 offer #7 for Marlow when the Deacs pulled the trigger on May 2.
Whatley visited Wake on March 31. For a while Wake was the P5 school that was recruiting him the hardest, but he just received new offers from Georgia Tech (May 12) and UNC (May 18), so we’ll have to see where his recruitment heads next.
Don’t we need a kicker in this class?
I would have thought so, but I haven’t picked up on any kicker offers yet. So it’s possible that the staff is planning to have Adam Centers and Dom Maggio compete for the placekicking job in 2018. That would then leave Maggio or a true freshman as the kicker in 2019.
What are the chances that Wake lands a big fish – like a recruit ranked in the Top 300 on RankByOffers?
Slim. But I’m always a little pessimistic on these things. I don’t think JAYCEE HORN (#52 on RankByOffers) is really considering Wake any longer. Wake made the Top 10 for DB TELLY PLUMMER (#287) and the Top 11 for DE KINGSLEY ENAGBARE (#367).
To be honest, I’m more focused on the depth of this class than whether Wake can land one big fish. Each NSD I’ve been posting the % of signees that had two or more P5 offers. Last cycle that number dropped to a Clawson-era low of 37%. But there seems to be a lot of momentum with this class and I’m very, very optimistic that we will see that number increase this cycle.
How does the Deac94 Big Board break down by state?
16 recruits from Georgia. 11 from Florida. 4 from North Carolina. 3 from DC/MD. 3 from New York. 5 from other states.
Who will be Wake’s main recruiting competition this summer?
ACC schools like NC State (who has offered 9 recruits on my Board), Duke (8) and Virginia Tech (7). There is a lot of overlap with West Virginia (10 recruits), who also places a big emphasis on recruiting Georgia.
Northern schools like Rutgers (11 recruits), Boston College (8 recruits) and Syracuse (5 recruits) always offer a lot of recruits in the South, although this year there is also overlap with three recruits on my Board from New York State.
After taking the Minnesota job, PJ Fleck said that the Gophers would focus on recruiting closer to home, however Minnesota has made another big push into Georgia. In particular, they are reportedly targeting TE Ben Bresnahan, OL Gabriel Gonzalez and DB Kenneth Dicks III.
What’s the deal with satellite camps? Are those gone now?
Not gone. Perhaps diminished though as a result of recent NCAA rule changes. Coaches now have limitations on the number of days that they can work camps. The camps can only be held on college campuses, or facilities regularly used by college teams. So that’s left some organizers scrambling and info even more difficult to come by.
I read that Wake Forest will team up with Jim Harbaugh again at least once this year. Wake, Michigan and Vandy will reportedly share a camp at Tennessee State University on June 9.
What’s up with South Florida? Is Wake investing there again?
It sure seems that way. I think Coach Hemphill has been working that area like a maniac. It will be interesting to see how many recruits Wake ultimately pulls from there. I’m also curious whether the Wake staff is asking those kids to make the trip to Winston-Salem, or whether Hemphill and others will be making a trip down to the Miami-area for a satellite camp.
GO DEACS!
I’m eager to see who makes it to Winston-Salem for these camps and who emerges as top targets for Wake.
For starters, here is the updated Deac94 Big Board:
Next, I’ve used a Q&A format to give my views of where Wake stands with recruiting and what to expect in the next 60-75 days.
How many spots are left in total? What positions? How many commits are expected this summer?
I think there are approximately 10 more spots in this class. I think that we could see 8-9 of those spots fill in the next 60-75 days.
I would expect more one commit at each of the following positions: RB, TE, Slot WR, Outside WR, OL, DE, and LB. Then two DBs. That would leave one more spot which would probably go to a DT, a second LB, or another receiver.
Who are the top targets going into camp season?
It’s been unusually difficult to figure out the top remaining targets this year. However, I’d name three at this point: TE BEN BRESNAHAN (West Forsyth HS / Cumming, GA), RB MATAEO DURANT (McCormick HS / McCormick, SC) and DL DAVONTAE McCRAE (Northwestern HS / Miami, FL).
Bresnahan has appeared to be a top target since we started talking about this class. Wake didn’t take a TE in the last class and the roster is light on candidates to replace Cam Serigne in the TE role that is more of a threat in the passing game (remember that there are two TE roles in Wake’s offense). Bresnahan has a big offer sheet that includes some SEC schools. He is thought to top the TE boards at three schools: Wake, Vanderbilt and Minnesota. That sets up an intriguing battle with two familiar recruiting foes. Also, don’t count out Tennessee if the Vols miss on some other targets.
Durant attended Wake’s Junior Day and seems like an ideal fit for Wake (both on and off the field). But he’s also thought to be a top target for both Duke and Virginia Tech. So expect a tough battle to land him.
McCrae has P5 offers from Tennessee, Louisville, NC State, Oregon State, and Purdue. Wake is thought to be his leader at the moment. He visited on April 12 and plans to return again in June. NC State is probably the main threat in his recruitment, although I’m also watching UCF. They just landed a commitment from a friend/teammate of McCrae’s.
Whoa…there are a lot of receivers on the list! What’s up with that?
Indeed. The WR offers have been flying out the door. 40% of the recruits on my Big Board are WRs. I think the staff is trying to get a lot of receivers into camp. It will be interesting to see how many actually come in and how many spots will be used for WRs. In any scenario I think those spots will be very competitive.
How is the RB picture looking?
I’ve already mentioned the Wake/Duke/VT battle for MATAEO DURANT, but those same three schools have also offered CALEB STEWARD (Ed White HS / Jacksonville, FL). However, it’s possible that Wake might prefer JA’VEON MARLOW (Winter Haven / Winter Haven, FL) or TIJAI WHATLEY (Darlington HS / Rome, GA).
Earlier in the cycle, Marlow was linked with open RB spots and both Vanderbilt and Nebraska but I’m not sure where those stand at the moment. Wake was P5 offer #7 for Marlow when the Deacs pulled the trigger on May 2.
Whatley visited Wake on March 31. For a while Wake was the P5 school that was recruiting him the hardest, but he just received new offers from Georgia Tech (May 12) and UNC (May 18), so we’ll have to see where his recruitment heads next.
Don’t we need a kicker in this class?
I would have thought so, but I haven’t picked up on any kicker offers yet. So it’s possible that the staff is planning to have Adam Centers and Dom Maggio compete for the placekicking job in 2018. That would then leave Maggio or a true freshman as the kicker in 2019.
What are the chances that Wake lands a big fish – like a recruit ranked in the Top 300 on RankByOffers?
Slim. But I’m always a little pessimistic on these things. I don’t think JAYCEE HORN (#52 on RankByOffers) is really considering Wake any longer. Wake made the Top 10 for DB TELLY PLUMMER (#287) and the Top 11 for DE KINGSLEY ENAGBARE (#367).
To be honest, I’m more focused on the depth of this class than whether Wake can land one big fish. Each NSD I’ve been posting the % of signees that had two or more P5 offers. Last cycle that number dropped to a Clawson-era low of 37%. But there seems to be a lot of momentum with this class and I’m very, very optimistic that we will see that number increase this cycle.
How does the Deac94 Big Board break down by state?
16 recruits from Georgia. 11 from Florida. 4 from North Carolina. 3 from DC/MD. 3 from New York. 5 from other states.
Who will be Wake’s main recruiting competition this summer?
ACC schools like NC State (who has offered 9 recruits on my Board), Duke (8) and Virginia Tech (7). There is a lot of overlap with West Virginia (10 recruits), who also places a big emphasis on recruiting Georgia.
Northern schools like Rutgers (11 recruits), Boston College (8 recruits) and Syracuse (5 recruits) always offer a lot of recruits in the South, although this year there is also overlap with three recruits on my Board from New York State.
After taking the Minnesota job, PJ Fleck said that the Gophers would focus on recruiting closer to home, however Minnesota has made another big push into Georgia. In particular, they are reportedly targeting TE Ben Bresnahan, OL Gabriel Gonzalez and DB Kenneth Dicks III.
What’s the deal with satellite camps? Are those gone now?
Not gone. Perhaps diminished though as a result of recent NCAA rule changes. Coaches now have limitations on the number of days that they can work camps. The camps can only be held on college campuses, or facilities regularly used by college teams. So that’s left some organizers scrambling and info even more difficult to come by.
I read that Wake Forest will team up with Jim Harbaugh again at least once this year. Wake, Michigan and Vandy will reportedly share a camp at Tennessee State University on June 9.
What’s up with South Florida? Is Wake investing there again?
It sure seems that way. I think Coach Hemphill has been working that area like a maniac. It will be interesting to see how many recruits Wake ultimately pulls from there. I’m also curious whether the Wake staff is asking those kids to make the trip to Winston-Salem, or whether Hemphill and others will be making a trip down to the Miami-area for a satellite camp.
GO DEACS!
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Great to read your updates again, 94. I too was having withdrawals