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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

Is that even McMuffin's district?

I remember looking it up awhile back and it was. I can check again.

I assume so. The district includes Provo and McMullin lives in Provo.
 
I'd say most people are healthy and under 50. We have medicare for the olds, and medicare is quite good insurance.

Only if you buy into the add on parts of Medicare. Parts A and B alone are decent but nothing to write home about.
 
Only if you buy into the add on parts of Medicare. Parts A and B alone are decent but nothing to write home about.

To equate (As I've done this math recently for the owners of my company as one is turning 65 and the other is already 72)

Their incomes are such they are in the highest possible medicare brackets, I forget which parts off the top of my head have an income based premium, I think part B and maybe supplement F (the best one).

But for them: Option 1 (Medicare, A, B, and Supplment F) $700/mo for them. $500/mo if they were poor. Out of pocket maximum in a year = $2,500, which only comes into play if they have expensive subscription drugs.

Option 2: Private insurance. Monthly Premium $1,200/mo (Gold PPO). Out of pocket maximum $6,800.

So for roughly twice the costs, their out of pocket maximum basically triples. That's the marketplace now. It's drastically better coverage for half the costs, which probably explains why its such an expense on our federal budgets.
 
Hatch isn't going to run for reelection.

Really? Didn't know that. Makes sense though.

Still seems like McMullin should run in the special election and then run for Senate though.
 
Really? Didn't know that. Makes sense though.

Still seems like McMullin should run in the special election and then run for Senate though.

Well I should clarify that I believe he still claims he's running, but it's been reported on Politico/NPR/The Hill that he's been actively recruiting people to run for his seat (Romney primarily, also heard Huntsman rumored). I doubt he runs.
 
So why would McMullin run for Senate straight up against Romney and Huntsman who are endorsed by Hatch? Run in the special election. Throw haymakers against Trump from the right. Then run for Senate with some credibility and brand Romney and Huntsman as all talk or even worse feckless moderates.
 
So why would McMullin run for Senate straight up against Romney and Huntsman who are endorsed by Hatch? Run in the special election. Throw haymakers against Trump from the right. Then run for Senate with some credibility and brand Romney and Huntsman as all talk or even worse feckless moderates.

This is definitely a fair point. My point of view is that Hatch has no plans to run and I don't know that Romney or Huntsman want to.

I've always thought McMullin believes he can effectuate more change from the outside (no assessment from me as to whether I think this is a good idea or not) so I don't think he's just going to settle into a House seat. Your point is well made though.
 
To equate (As I've done this math recently for the owners of my company as one is turning 65 and the other is already 72)

Their incomes are such they are in the highest possible medicare brackets, I forget which parts off the top of my head have an income based premium, I think part B and maybe supplement F (the best one).

But for them: Option 1 (Medicare, A, B, and Supplment F) $700/mo for them. $500/mo if they were poor. Out of pocket maximum in a year = $2,500, which only comes into play if they have expensive subscription drugs.

Option 2: Private insurance. Monthly Premium $1,200/mo (Gold PPO). Out of pocket maximum $6,800.

So for roughly twice the costs, their out of pocket maximum basically triples. That's the marketplace now. It's drastically better coverage for half the costs, which probably explains why its such an expense on our federal budgets.

Yes. I know. My parents both just retired and I went through all the plans with them and your numbers are roughly correct.
However, you are looking at the very top end and not looking through the entire program. That is the flaw in your argument.



Medicare is clearly superior and more cost effective than private insurance. Which, I think, is a good argument to make for Universal Health Care in this country.
 
My favorite is conservatives who love Medicare but think single payer is socialistic garbage.

It's all about how the plan is packaged and sold.
 
My favorite is conservatives who love Medicare but think single payer is socialistic garbage.

It's all about how the plan is packaged and sold.

you mean "people who are old and get free healthcare"

like, a bunch of my uber-conservative relatives who railed on medicare until they qualified for it
 
This is definitely a fair point. My point of view is that Hatch has no plans to run and I don't know that Romney or Huntsman want to.

I've always thought McMullin believes he can effectuate more change from the outside (no assessment from me as to whether I think this is a good idea or not) so I don't think he's just going to settle into a House seat. Your point is well made though.

Your point is too although I'm not sure what change he can make from the outside with regard to Trump.
 
Frelinghuysen's chances of holding seat downgraded

The political handicapping site Cook Political Report on Friday downgraded Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen's chance of keeping his seat in Congress next year, moving the race to "lean Republican," a notch above "toss-up."

Cook House editor David Wasserman wrote that Frelinghuysen's 11th District, which picked up liberal strongholds such as Montclair and parts of Passaic County after redistricting in 2011, is "trending rapidly away from the GOP."

Dude won by almost 20 pts last year. (Trump barely won the district.)
 
Medicare is clearly superior and more cost effective than private insurance. Which, I think, is a good argument to make for Universal Health Care in this country.

Its possible Universal Healthcare is the proper way to go, but just by comparing premiums we can't tell without adding how much the taxpayer is covering the difference, and I don't know that answer, but would like to know.
 
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