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Thread: '17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

  1. #2421
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeForestRanger View Post
    Meh, no credible Pub really wanted to lose to Kaine, so the 3 who ran were really right wing nutjobs. The 3rd place guy is a preacher who actually said that yoga can lead to devil worship. Bolling probably would have run had Kaine become veep. Bolling is a decent enough establishment Pub who got screwed by his own party when they chose to have a caucus instead of a primarty (which he would have won) when they nominated Kookinelli instead of him. Actually, the Pubs screwed themselves because Bolling would have beaten McAuliffe pretty easily, but Kookinelli was too right wing for independents and establishment types. As for Stewart, he was Trump a decade before Trump became Trump - he's a white nativist who hates Latinos.

    Good night for Dems in VA. Kaine is now safer unless he goes on a mass murdering spree. And Wexton won, and she was probably the Dems best shot at VA-10 - is probably a favorite now. VA-10 is similar to the places in the state where the Dems picked up 16 house of delagate seats last year - well educated lily white exurbs. With the redistricting of Bobby Scott's district and 1 other, it went from 8 Pub seats and 3 Dem seats to 7 and 4. Now it will likely be 6 and 5, which pretty accurately fits where VA is politically. I had beers with a couple of active Dem party types a week ago, and they actually believe VA-5 (from just north of Cville down to the NC line and including Rocky Mount) could be a Dem pick-up. It's a pretty heavily Pub district, and the Pubs got their preferred candidate, a Nelson distiller and tea bagger over a Liberty U activist, so I'm not drinking that koolaid yet. But 1 of them was saying that our nominee is doing much better south side than previous Dem contenders, and she's well funded.

  2. #2422
    Would not call Wexton a favorite over the Republican incumbent Barbara Comstock in the VA-10 race. While that District has been trending toward the Dems, Hilary carried it by 5 points over Trump, Comstock is an increasingly rare middle of the road Republican that a lot of anti-Trump voters can support (despite Hilary winning the District, Comstock won her race by 6 points in 2016); Constock has consistently distanced herself from Trump. Turn-out may be a determining factor, and who knows what hot button issues will arise over the next 5 months before the election, but the VA-10 race is a toss up (btw, because it will be closely contested, a ridiculous amount of money will be spent on that race).

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    What do you think about VA-2? Tough to take down an incumbent that has won with some wide margins, but it looks like the district narrowly voted for Northam in 2017.

    There's also the Corey Stewart factor:


  4. #2424
    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    What do you think about VA-2? Tough to take down an incumbent that has won with some wide margins, but it looks like the district narrowly voted for Northam in 2017.

    There's also the Corey Stewart factor:

    I'll defer to Pilch and call VA-10 a toss-up. VA-2 has been fools gold for Dems for the last 2 decades plus. The only time it went blue, like VA-5, was in 2008. But VA-2, unlike VA-5 is usually close and has gone Dem for president a few times. It contains the heavily Pub Eastern Shore, aka the land that time forgot, Williamsburg and the VA Beach area, which is purple with a lot of military folks. I'd rate VA-10 the easiest get, with VA-2 fairly closely behind that, and VA-5 as a stretch. As for the Corey Stewart effect, he'll hurt the Pub ticket more in VA-10 and VA-2 than he will in VA-5. Stewart being on the ticket might even be of assistance in the GOTV in the southern 2/3 of VA-5.

  5. #2425
    Interesting to have the 2016 presidential, a 2018 statewide election, and this special to compare in Wisconsin:


  6. #2426
    Quote Originally Posted by deactherunner View Post
    Lee Bright, the currently leader for SC district 4, is a piece of work.



    http://www.thestate.com/news/politic...123270564.html

    Good day for confederate fetishists.
    Lee Bright is a huge POS. Dude cannot keep a business open (3 bankruptcies) but somehow can get elected although the last time out for state senator he got pummeled as everyone is tired of his bullshit 1950's racist attitude.

    I never in a million years thought he might replace Trey.

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    They aren't. Trump already tweeted his support for Stewart. He'll shame the GOP apparatus into putting resources behind him. There's no chance the GOP fails to amount a vigorous challenge against Hillary's VP nominee. The GOP embraced deplorables two years ago. They can't act like they're above deplorable politics now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newenglanddeac View Post
    Sabato leans left personally but he plays it very straight with his reporting. As I said earlier, all 3 GOP senate hopefuls were nutjobs to some extent, but given 8/12/17, Stewart's association with white supremacists gives him the worst look of the 3 right about now. His being the 1st name on the ticket could suppress the Pub vote a bit in the suburbs and exurbs, which is why it might affect VA-2 and VA-10 a lot more than it would affect VA-5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    They aren't. Trump already tweeted his support for Stewart. He'll shame the GOP apparatus into putting resources behind him. There's no chance the GOP fails to amount a vigorous challenge against Hillary's VP nominee. The GOP embraced deplorables two years ago. They can't act like they're above deplorable politics now.
    Disagree. Stewart is a lost cause against Kaine and someone national Pubs don't want to be associated with. Establishment Pubs and independents in VA will break big for Kaine, so it'll likely be a 15-20 point cruise. National Pubs aren't going to divert precious $$ to VA and take it away from FL, IN, ND, WV, MO, AZ and NV. Trump will complain, but the VA senate race was never on the Pub radar once Hillary lost, and especially after the Pub slate was limited to the names of Stewart, Freitas and EW Jackson (with no names like Bolling or Gillispie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    Sabato leans left personally but he plays it very straight with his reporting. As I said earlier, all 3 GOP senate hopefuls were nutjobs to some extent, but given 8/12/17, Stewart's association with white supremacists gives him the worst look of the 3 right about now. His being the 1st name on the ticket could suppress the Pub vote a bit in the suburbs and exurbs, which is why it might affect VA-2 and VA-10 a lot more than it would affect VA-5.
    Yeah, I'm going to be sure to play close attention to what this guy says.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmAvsNip4zU

  12. #2432
    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    Yeah, I'm going to be sure to play close attention to what this guy says.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmAvsNip4zU
    He and everyone else got that wrong. But when you bolded playing it straight, I thought you were going in a different direction.

  13. #2433
    Quote Originally Posted by cville deac View Post
    He and everyone else got that wrong. But when you bolded playing it straight, I thought you were going in a different direction.
    Were you thinking about this?

    "In June 2009, it was revealed that Sabato's Center for Politics had been the recipient of over seven million dollars in earmark money from Congressman Virgil Goode, whom Sabato predicted would win re-election in 2008, despite declining poll numbers; Goode ultimately lost the race by fewer than 800 votes out of about 316,000 votes cast.[19] Political blogger Greg Sargent suggested that Sabato should have revealed his Center's financial connection to Goode or recused himself from making predictions about the race."


    I wouldn't call that "playing it straight with his reporting". My point, though, was that his predictions for the 2106 election were prejudiced by his obvious visceral dislike for Donald Trump.....just like nearly all of the MSM. They didn't just predict a Hillary landslide, they rejoiced in predicting a Hillary landslide. The MSM acted as advocates for Hillary rather than impartial observers reporting the news. And they are doing the very same thing today. All the talk of a coming "Blue Wave" is desperate hope as much as it is a prediction. You already see people like Bill Maher openly wishing for the economy to collapse into a recession for no reason other than to bring down Trump. How despicable is that? Is he also wishing for peace talks in North Korea to fail and war to break out? And while they would not admit it, there is no doubt in my mind that many on this board feel the same way as Bill Maher.

    Unemployment is at an 18-year low. The Consumer Confidence Index is at a 16-year high. The stock market is at an all-time high. Taxes & regulations have been cut. The economy is expanding and businesses are hiring. Wages are increasing. And Liberals are despondent. Why do Liberals hate America so much that they would wish for recession & war over prosperity & peace....simply to regain political power?

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    Why were conservatives despondent when the economy was flourishing under Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Why were conservatives despondent when the economy was flourishing under Obama?
    Which conservative went on television and said that he wished the economy would collapse and go into recession? Give me something like this, not just your general opinion....which is really worthless and not relevant to this discussion.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgA43xmuw54
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    Is it me or is does Bob Corker sound like Gomer Pyle when he makes a speech on the floor of the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    Which conservative went on television and said that he wished the economy would collapse and go into recession? Give me something like this, not just your general opinion....which is really worthless and not relevant to this discussion.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgA43xmuw54

  18. #2438
    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    You evidently have a problem with reading comprehension. Stating that you think something bad will happen as a result of what you think are bad policies is completely different from saying that you HOPE something bad happens....and then not even because of any policy but because of personal animus toward a person.

    I watched that entire video and not once did Trump say that he HOPED something bad would happen....only that he thought the Democrats' policy of continuing to give stuff away was killing incentive to work and would eventually collapse upon itself. (Which was an accurate statement, by the way.) Maher, on the other hand, is straight-out cheering for something...anything...terrible to happen, for the sole purpose of bringing Trump down.

    I'm assuming that you are a WF grad. In the future, try to think through your response a little more thoroughly to avoid coming up with such a weak reply.
    Last edited by SwissChaletDeac; 06-13-2018 at 08:21 PM.

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    lol, he didn't say he "thought," he said it would solve everything. It is the exact same argument as Mayer. (Who sucks, btw.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    Were you thinking about this?

    "In June 2009, it was revealed that Sabato's Center for Politics had been the recipient of over seven million dollars in earmark money from Congressman Virgil Goode, whom Sabato predicted would win re-election in 2008, despite declining poll numbers; Goode ultimately lost the race by fewer than 800 votes out of about 316,000 votes cast.[19] Political blogger Greg Sargent suggested that Sabato should have revealed his Center's financial connection to Goode or recused himself from making predictions about the race."


    I wouldn't call that "playing it straight with his reporting". My point, though, was that his predictions for the 2106 election were prejudiced by his obvious visceral dislike for Donald Trump.....just like nearly all of the MSM. They didn't just predict a Hillary landslide, they rejoiced in predicting a Hillary landslide. The MSM acted as advocates for Hillary rather than impartial observers reporting the news. And they are doing the very same thing today. All the talk of a coming "Blue Wave" is desperate hope as much as it is a prediction. You already see people like Bill Maher openly wishing for the economy to collapse into a recession for no reason other than to bring down Trump. How despicable is that? Is he also wishing for peace talks in North Korea to fail and war to break out? And while they would not admit it, there is no doubt in my mind that many on this board feel the same way as Bill Maher.

    Unemployment is at an 18-year low. The Consumer Confidence Index is at a 16-year high. The stock market is at an all-time high. Taxes & regulations have been cut. The economy is expanding and businesses are hiring. Wages are increasing. And Liberals are despondent. Why do Liberals hate America so much that they would wish for recession & war over prosperity & peace....simply to regain political power?


    As a lifelong conservative Republican who just left the party, I'll take the bait.

    Because the long term cost of Trump flagrantly pissing on constitutional norms, presiding over one of the most corrupt administrations in American history, dividing the country, waging trade wars with allies, cozying up to autocrats and being a Russian puppet FAR outweigh the benefit of a strong economy at the tail end of a 10-year recovery (thanks Obama).

    Not saying I agree with Bill Maher's statement but I understand his frustration. If Republicans (again, my former party) actually showed an ounce of intellectual honesty and called out Trump for even a tenth of what he's doing (a lot of the same shit pubs accused Obama of doing for 8 years) then maybe liberals, independents and former republicans (60% of the country) wouldn't be so despondent.

    Trumpists stand for absolutely nothing but Donald Trump. There is no core, no principle, no belief amongst them except for protecting Dear Leader.
    Last edited by Newenglanddeac; 06-13-2018 at 09:07 PM.

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