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Official 2018 NBA Offseason Thread: the preseason cometh

vadimivich said:
Paul is an odd case. He's got tremendous advanced stats, but his teams have never been nearly as good as you'd expect from someone with those stats - either in the regular season or the playoffs (the lack of success for his teams in the regular season is more damning, imo). He feels a bit like Wisconsin in KenPoms system - an outlier due to the nearly perfect overlap of his playing style with the the statistical model that ends up substantially overrating him. Some of it is durability too - he's averaged less than 70 games a season over his entire career, which hurts his teams as he's not on the floor and shows up in the W/L records.

He's a clear first ballot Hall of Fame player and one of the best of his generation. He's not a historically great player.
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If he was just dominant in one statistical model I would see your point. But all of the advanced statistics are in agreement. His regular season success has been about what you would expect for those stats given his teammates (his career winning percentage is the equivalent of a 51 win season (vs. a 53 win season average for Steph by comparison)). The durability issues are accounted for in the cumulative stats where he is still on pace to finish in the top 10-15.
 
vadimivich said:
Paul is an odd case. He's got tremendous advanced stats, but his teams have never been nearly as good as you'd expect from someone with those stats - either in the regular season or the playoffs (the lack of success for his teams in the regular season is more damning, imo). He feels a bit like Wisconsin in KenPoms system - an outlier due to the nearly perfect overlap of his playing style with the the statistical model that ends up substantially overrating him. Some of it is durability too - he's averaged less than 70 games a season over his entire career, which hurts his teams as he's not on the floor and shows up in the W/L records.

He's a clear first ballot Hall of Fame player and one of the best of his generation. He's not a historically great player.
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Chris is an historically great player. Elgin Baylor never won a championship (he retired before the Lakers won that year), neither did Malone or Stockton or Barkley. In baseball, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks and many other all time great never won a ring.

The concept that you can't be considered a great player if you never win a ring is simplistic, nouveau BS.
 
RJKarl said:
The Undefeated updated their version of the Top 50 NBA players of all time. They added players who played after the mid-90s.

http://theundefeated.com/features/nba-50-greatest-players-remix/

Neither Reggie Miller nor Ray Allen have any business on this list. They were totally one dimensional players. Kidd and Nash were great players but borderline. Pierce didn't deserve to be in the Top 50.

Tiny was better than either Nash or Kidd. And leaving off Pistol is a total joke, he much, much superior to those guys. Both Clyde Drexler and Dave Debusschere are both better than Pierce. Lots of you never saw DeBusschere play. His ppg would have been higher with the three point line. It would have been very close with Pierce if he had that option. DuBusschere also averaged over 11 rpg and was All Defense for 6 seasons.
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Love the love for Dave DeBusschere! I don’t know if DeBusschere still qualifies as a Top 50 All Time (he certainly did when the first Top 50 came out), but he was definitely one of the best forwards of the NBA’s first fifty years. The Knicks don’t win either of the titles they won without him. He made those All NBA Defense teams always taking on the the other team’s best forward, players like Elgin Baylor and Gus Johnson. Tremendous baseline jump shooter.

Not a bad pitcher, either.
 
In addition to being a great Knick (what an oxymoron), De Busschere played for the White Sox. At 24, he was named player-coach for the Pistons. He was the last commissioner of the ABA and was a central figure in the merger. Some say as an executive with the Knicks, he helped rig the first draft lottery to deliver Ewing to MSG. :)

If I'm not mistaken he also owned Ring Magazine.
 
Magic blow out the Cavs. Griz beat the Warriors. Jazz beating the Thunder.
 
 
He cocked that joint back and banged on him.
 
How far back did yall discuss this Chris Paul Chapter 3 show? This is some good Wake Forest shit
 
CP's had turrrrrible injury luck in the playoffs. Either him or Blake got hurt in like 4 straight playoffs.
 
What the hell is going on with Fultz? Hasn't attempted a 3 and has only attempted 6 shots from beyond 9 ft. Shooting 50% from the FT line. #SSSD

 
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Anyone got any takes on Curry throwing his mouthpiece at the ref? Personally think he deserves a few games suspension, he's done it before and you just can't throw something at a ref.
 
At this point I'd consider it good news if we found out about a torn labrum or something with Fultz

At least then it'd seem fixable

He was a decent shooter in college so this is either injury or the yips
 
To Philly for Jerryd Bayless and Furkad Korkmaz ...

... works on the trade machine. PHX is not going to get much now.
 
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