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Immigration Reform

EatLeadCommie said:
I'll ignore that it was conveniently pointed out that BP was the culprit in this particular case, and that he may very well have had sufficient reasons for using lethal force, but who do you expect to enforce immigration laws on the interior if you abolish ICE in your great universe? Maybe smart kids like you? Maybe AILA?
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You may have heard of this department called the INS? It existed for 70 fuckin years before the W Bush administration used 9/11 as a big fucking xenophobic excuse to move 20 departments into Homeland Security. It takes a certain kind of prick to believe in the goal of removing 100% of undocumented immigrants, no matter the cost - and that was the foundational goal of ICE, as immigration enforcment was seperated from naturalization, and was moved from the Justice Department to Homeland Security.

ICE was created as a fascist tool, it's just been waiting for an authoritarian strongman to take the brakes off.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
You may have heard of this department called the INS? It existed for 70 fuckin years before the W Bush administration used 9/11 as a big fucking xenophobic excuse to move 20 departments into Homeland Security. It takes a certain kind of prick to believe in the goal of removing 100% of undocumented immigrants, no matter the cost - and that was the foundational goal of ICE, as immigration enforcment was seperated from naturalization, and was moved from the Justice Department to Homeland Security.

ICE was created as a fascist tool, it's just been waiting for an authoritarian strongman to take the brakes off.
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INS was divided into CIS and ICE. They basically separated the enforcement element from the paperwork element, which involves a hell of a lot more than naturalization. That's it. How the enforcement capabilities operated as INS before and as ICE now have not been fundamentally altered in any way. They just shuffled the bureaucracy and combined the investigative arm of customs with the enforcement arm of INS. Rolling them into DHS and out of DOJ was simply semantics, a move to look organized and serious after 9/11. We all know that the creation of DHS wasn't actually necessary, but the public demanded it, Democrats in particular. The only fundamental difference was that the new ICE was populated at the top more by customs folks, and so the legacy INS folks got the shaft early on. That was 15 years ago. INS was a pain in the ass for illegals for many years just as ICE is. Before the reorganization, the interaction between what is now CIS and ICE and what was then just INS was the same. The training at FLETC is the same, only CIS doesn't do enforcement training anymore because it isn't necessary to their job and never was, thus saving taxpayer $ in that regard.
 
Pretty solid article about Tijuana, the growing number of asylum seekers and deportees there and the struggles they face.

https://story.californiasunday.com/tijuana-city-of-exiles

One of the Central Americans, a Salvadoran mother with her husband and two teenage children, began to sob. An organized-crime syndicate had murdered her eldest son and raped the teenage daughter standing beside her. There was no going home — they would all be killed — and there was no staying in Mexico, given that same gang’s Mexican operations. Still, the future was terrifying. She and her husband would be held in separate detention centers and, if one were granted asylum and the other denied, quite possibly never see each other again. Her children might wind up in a third detention center. Ramos lunged to hug the woman closely, stepped back, and, weeping herself, watched the family pass through the gate into a concrete yard lined with border officers and through a doorway into a blank-walled federal building.
 
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EatLeadCommie said:
INS was divided into CIS and ICE. They basically separated the enforcement element from the paperwork element, which involves a hell of a lot more than naturalization. That's it. How the enforcement capabilities operated as INS before and as ICE now have not been fundamentally altered in any way. They just shuffled the bureaucracy and combined the investigative arm of customs with the enforcement arm of INS. Rolling them into DHS and out of DOJ was simply semantics, a move to look organized and serious after 9/11. We all know that the creation of DHS wasn't actually necessary, but the public demanded it, Democrats in particular. The only fundamental difference was that the new ICE was populated at the top more by customs folks, and so the legacy INS folks got the shaft early on. That was 15 years ago. INS was a pain in the ass for illegals for many years just as ICE is. Before the reorganization, the interaction between what is now CIS and ICE and what was then just INS was the same. The training at FLETC is the same, only CIS doesn't do enforcement training anymore because it isn't necessary to their job and never was, thus saving taxpayer $ in that regard.
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ELC with a huge right cross....will MDMH be able to recover?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
ELC with a huge right cross....will MDMH be able to recover?
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I mean, he's absolutely wrong in saying that the purpose and activity of INS and ICE are the same thing, based on the founding document of ICE, called "ENDGAME" which stated that the mission of immigration enforcement had changed to the removal of all illegal aliens, and deterence of all future movement for the purposes of preventing terrorist attacks
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Oooh wow, so some plan was codenamed and halfassedly (I assume that's a word) implemented. Obviously, it wasn't very successful and starting sometime around 2009 was clearly abandoned by the new adminsitration when it started instructing ICE attorneys to not pursue cases that were in the final stages of removal proceedings. Like INS didn't have Operation Wetback and other operations with lofty deportation goals previously. Quit cherry picking your nonsense off whatever commie websites you frequent and grow a brain. The idea that ICE was created as a fascist tool is one of the dumbest things I've read in a forum full of really dumb things.
 
Another big scary title which translates into, "We will now process you at the border, thus making our removal numbers appear bigger." It also makes them more easily removable in the future when they return, and harder for them to fib because of the biometric database.
 
Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR) tried to enter a facility that house children who had been separated from their parents in Brownsville, TX and was refused entry and the supervisor called local police to keep him from getting into see the condition of the children.

We are living in a dictatorship!
 
 
 
ICE Seeks to Deport NJ Green Card Holder

A New Jersey green card holder from the Philippines was detained by federal immigration agents on his way to work Monday and could soon be deported because of an 11-year-old conviction on a gun charge, signaling the Trump Administration's willingness to remove even legal, permanent residents who committed crimes.
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On Monday ICE agents took Edralin to a Newark facility, where he was processed, and then to the privately-run Elizabeth Contract Detention Facility, where he will spend weeks or months until he appears before an immigration judge either to request bail or fight his deportation.
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More on where he's being detained:

Immigrants face maggots and worse in ICE detention in N.J., report says

The detention center is owned and operated by CoreCivic, which re-branded from Corrections Corporation for America in 2016, and operates for-profit prisons. Taxpayer dollars are being paid to a for-profit company to imprison a green card holder, separating him from his wife and four children.

The first big winners of Donald Trump’s victory are private prison companies, whose stocks are soaring
 
Where have I seen illegal arrests of a certain segment of a population by a leader of a country?
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
This is childs play. The budget for ICE increased from 4.9 billion under Bush to 18 billion under Obama, by employment it increased 3,600% - 48,000 personel dedicatated to immigration enforcement. The number of people prosecuted by the border court system, Operation Streamline, doubled by 2009, 209k immigrants prosecuted by 2009.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-deportation-machine-obama-built-for-president-trump/
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Your numbers are incorrect. It appears you are merging ICE with all the other enforcement elements like CBP and BP when it leads to bigger numbers, then just using ICE numbers when you want the lower numbers.

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...migration_enforcement_and_border_security.pdf
 
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