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OFFICIAL Tear The Fascists Down Thread

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-monument-vandalized-20170814-story.html

Someone poured red paint over a Confederate monument in Bolton Hill, defacing the 114-year-old statue during a weekend in which violence erupted at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va.

Baltimore police had not received reports of the vandalism, a spokesman said Monday afternoon. But red paint had drenched the statue of a dying Confederate soldier embraced by a winged figure of Glory. The soldier grips a Confederate battle flag, also smeared with red paint.

The confederate statue vandalized with red paint was erected by the state chapter of the Daughters of the Confederacy in February 1903. The inscription reads “Gloria Victis,” meaning “glory to the vanquished.”

The monument stands on Mount Royal Avenue near Mosher Street.

In 2015, after a white man killed nine black church members in South Carolina, the monument was tagged with “Black Lives Matter” in yellow spray paint.

Hopefully, this becomes a trend. It's long overdue.
 
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The people best equipped to punish those treasonous rebs lived 150 years ago, not in 2017. And they were punished. Those in power were imprisoned or executed, had their property (other than slaves) taken from them. Those who had any moderately desirable property were deprived of it by carpetbaggers who came down and took it. They were deprived of representation as the northerners saw to it that their agendas were pushed through in the south. And none of these actions as policy were necessarily undeserved. To the victor goes the spoils, and to the victor also goes the manner in which a nation heals itself after years of infighting. Those in power from 1865 through Reconstruction did some things well and some things poorly, but they dealt with it. And as their veterans came home, forgiven for their transgressions by the same folks they made war against, they tried to resume their lives, often finding that they didn't have one and had to start over by building fresh out west. These veterans continued to live and eventually died out, many drawing war pensions from the states for which they fought and sacrificed. And they were so honored with memorials in southern towns by the individuals they lived with. People who respected them. People who actually knew them. Go to any old town cemetery in the south where Confederate soldiers are buried and you will see the stars and bars planted by their gravestones. I guess there are a few folks who look at that and think, "Those damn negroes" while yelling at clouds in the sky, but most see that and think of that war and the unfortunate consequences it had for families of that town and the nation as a whole.

That's not to say they were all saints. Shit, our founding fathers weren't all saints either but we honor them all the same. Several of them owned slaves. But somewhere along the line "the south" has been blamed for every modern ailment in American society. The south didn't start slavery. It didn't codify it in the Constitution. It was an evil that existed long before 1861 and one that would've likely existed in the US another 20-30 years had there not been a Civil War. It certainly didn't exist due to Robert E. Lee or the average southern soldier as represented by the Durham statue. Getting POed over dumb monuments would be like me suddenly deciding to hate Turks and Austrians because of WW1.

A bunch of snot nosed college kids attempting to judge confederate soldiers 150 years past the context in which they lived is preposterous. Like this action is really making a positive difference in society. It's just an excuse to make trouble. The Nazi fucks don't try to cloak their actions in good intentions. Antifa and clowns like these kids tearing down these statues do. That's the primary difference between the two. Both are intolerant of viewpoints contrary to their own. They're both piss and vinegar and shit for brains.
 
ELC, those who support Confederate soldiers, etc., are also the ones who are more likely to judge the "patriotism" of others. When the reality is they are supporting traitors to the United States. They took up arms against our nation. They wanted to destroy the United States for the purpose of perpetuating slavery.

Sorry, there is no honor in Confederate soldiers or politicians or others who supported them.
 
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Including this line in the Declaration of Independence while slavery was legal codified a system of white superiority.
 
ELCs post is trash and leaves out any discussion of how confederate monuments in public spaces impact the lives of black americans. It also ignores that many confederate monuments were constructed during Jim Crow.

There is a confederate flag flying in fucking Wichita. There are monuments in Arizona, Montana, and Nevada. Take them all down, change all the names of schools and streets.
 
it's trash because it's insane that, after utter defeat, a treasonous "nation" would be permitted to keep and fly it's iconography, let alone put up and maintain statues, name buildings/landmarks and otherwise venerate said traitors and their cause.

imagine if the Germans had been permitted to fly Nazi flags and put up statues of Hitler. totally ridiculous
 
The people best equipped to punish those treasonous rebs lived 150 years ago, not in 2017. And they were punished. Those in power were imprisoned or executed, had their property (other than slaves) taken from them. Those who had any moderately desirable property were deprived of it by carpetbaggers who came down and took it. They were deprived of representation as the northerners saw to it that their agendas were pushed through in the south. And none of these actions as policy were necessarily undeserved. To the victor goes the spoils, and to the victor also goes the manner in which a nation heals itself after years of infighting. Those in power from 1865 through Reconstruction did some things well and some things poorly, but they dealt with it. And as their veterans came home, forgiven for their transgressions by the same folks they made war against, they tried to resume their lives, often finding that they didn't have one and had to start over by building fresh out west. These veterans continued to live and eventually died out, many drawing war pensions from the states for which they fought and sacrificed. And they were so honored with memorials in southern towns by the individuals they lived with. People who respected them. People who actually knew them. Go to any old town cemetery in the south where Confederate soldiers are buried and you will see the stars and bars planted by their gravestones. I guess there are a few folks who look at that and think, "Those damn negroes" while yelling at clouds in the sky, but most see that and think of that war and the unfortunate consequences it had for families of that town and the nation as a whole.

That's not to say they were all saints. Shit, our founding fathers weren't all saints either but we honor them all the same. Several of them owned slaves. But somewhere along the line "the south" has been blamed for every modern ailment in American society. The south didn't start slavery. It didn't codify it in the Constitution. It was an evil that existed long before 1861 and one that would've likely existed in the US another 20-30 years had there not been a Civil War. It certainly didn't exist due to Robert E. Lee or the average southern soldier as represented by the Durham statue. Getting POed over dumb monuments would be like me suddenly deciding to hate Turks and Austrians because of WW1.

A bunch of snot nosed college kids attempting to judge confederate soldiers 150 years past the context in which they lived is preposterous. Like this action is really making a positive difference in society. It's just an excuse to make trouble. The Nazi fucks don't try to cloak their actions in good intentions. Antifa and clowns like these kids tearing down these statues do. That's the primary difference between the two. Both are intolerant of viewpoints contrary to their own. They're both piss and vinegar and shit for brains.

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How do they impact lives? They don't. They're fucking statues. Statues to honor those who last fought and died 152 years ago, or survived, came home, and died as decrepit old men 80 years ago. This is about "feelings." Somebody "feels" angry when they see that. Why do they "feel" angry? Because somebody told them they should feel marginalized and they see all their friends whining on social media and have a heightened sense of self-importance. Fuck their feelings, and frankly, fuck the feelings of anybody who feels so outraged that they have to either march in support of a statue or in opposition to it. Get over yourselves. Have an appreciation for history and how it impacted this country for better and for worse. THINK when you see those monuments, don't FEEL. Think of where we were as a nation before then and since. Think about how the same people who fought for the south had parents who fought in the Revolutionary War, The War Of 1812, The Mexican War (lots of Civil War vets in this one, actually), and sons who have fought in the numerous conflicts since. Think of how their lives were impacted, all their lives. Think of how somebody in Maine had their life impacted the same way somebody in Texas did after a battle in Gettysburg, PA. Think of how tragic the Civil War was for everybody and how the victors chose to deal with the victory and how the defeated dealt with defeat. This shit is over and done and dealt with and was 150 years ago. There is no net positive to be gained from tearing down old confederate statues. None. It is vandalism and lawlessness, plain and simple. It happened in Durham, so I doubt the offenders will even be prosecuted (and it looks like the penalty is on par with a code of conduct offense at Wake), but they should be charged the maximum allowable under law.

And make no mistake, this isn't about the Civil War. This is about passing judgment upon people who lived in a different time and place for things we find truly incomprehensible today. Civil war monuments today, slaveholder founders tomorrow.
 
it's pretty easy to judge a traitor, let alone defender of the right to own human beings.
 
ELC is right that a "monument" put up during the era of the 2nd Klan isn't about Civil War. It was about 1924. People taking it upon themselves to take it down in 2017 is about who we're going to be today.
 
"they're fucking statues" says the triggered man.
 
it's about time Germany put up some hitler statues and maybe incorporate the swastika into the Munich city flag
 
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