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Judge Moore accused of sexually assaulting/pursuing underage girls in his 30s

The Republican case for Doug Jones is that a Democratic senator in Alabama is still a Republican, while a Republican senator in Alabama is a fringe lunatic. Doug Jones is the socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate many states have been begging for.
 
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Trump, "It's a special time for women."

How special? he's supporting a serial molester.
 
Demonwolverine said:
The Republican case for Doug Jones is that a Democratic senator in Alabama is still a Republican, while a Republican senator in Alabama is a fringe lunatic. Doug Jones is the socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate many states have been begging for.
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They can rationalize it anyway they want to, but they're putting party above country, no two ways to slice it.
 
But that's the thing. They think party is country. They're convinced only Republicans care about America and they are the real Americans worth caring about.
 
Winston-Salem, ummm...conservatives, add their explanations and voice: letter to editor.

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KEVIN FIELDS, Winston-Salem

Voting for Moore

I understand the disgust with former Alabama judge Roy Moore. The truth is that as far as his personal behavior goes, he’s probably like a lot of powerful men, including senators. We can find sexual aggressors on both sides of the aisle.

But those who are standing by him aren’t doing so simply from “tribalism,” like the liberals say, because he’s a Republican. They’re doing so because Moore would promote and vote for Republican principles. They support him because he’d vote in favor of the next conservative Supreme Court justice. He’d vote for family values. He’d vote for lower taxes.

His opponent, Doug Jones, is a fine man and was a fine U.S. attorney. I’m glad he put those KKK murderers away. But as a senator, he wouldn’t vote for conservative values.

I don’t condone Moore’s behavior, but I would vote for him if I lived in Alabama. You can’t control a senator’s behavior. But you can elect senators to vote the way they should. That’s what they’re doing in Alabama.
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And a comment on the letter:
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Willie Boone · Lincoln Park High

Letter 1 is absolutely correct...none of this stupidity matters...Roy Moore should be elected for one reason...we have a country to save. In the first week of June 1944, no one was digging up old bones in the back yard of Omar Bradley, George Patton,Churchill, or Roosevelt The free world was at stake...today the freest , most productive society ever is in peril. The addition of another enemy of capitalism and liberty ,Jones, will be another nail in the coffin of the country. Surely you libs do not really think the folks already in D.C are as pure as snow....How do you think all those bars ,escort services, strip joints stay in business?...Do you really believe those lowly street sweepers can afford those $300.00 per hour ladies? Do you know that loveable Barney Frank was running a male prostitute service out of his basement? I bet you libs believe not a single one of the 100 Senators ever hired one of the ladies or guys???
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That's the same reason most Republicans voted for Trump. But to say it's not tribalism is incorrect -- it's just tribalism for the reasons he stated.

"Free world at stake" is just code for white rural people values.
 
First time hearing that Barney Frank was running a prostitution ring out of his basement. They've got a whataboutism for every situation. And if they don't, they'll make one up.

wakephan nails it. Mediocre people clinging to what little advantage they have.
 
ConnorEl said:
Winston-Salem, ummm...conservatives, add their explanations and voice: letter to editor.

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KEVIN FIELDS, Winston-Salem

Voting for Moore

I understand the disgust with former Alabama judge Roy Moore. The truth is that as far as his personal behavior goes, he’s probably like a lot of powerful men, including senators. We can find sexual aggressors on both sides of the aisle.

But those who are standing by him aren’t doing so simply from “tribalism,” like the liberals say, because he’s a Republican. They’re doing so because Moore would promote and vote for Republican principles. They support him because he’d vote in favor of the next conservative Supreme Court justice. He’d vote for family values. He’d vote for lower taxes.

His opponent, Doug Jones, is a fine man and was a fine U.S. attorney. I’m glad he put those KKK murderers away. But as a senator, he wouldn’t vote for conservative values.

I don’t condone Moore’s behavior, but I would vote for him if I lived in Alabama. You can’t control a senator’s behavior. But you can elect senators to vote the way they should. That’s what they’re doing in Alabama.
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And a comment on the letter:
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Willie Boone · Lincoln Park High

Letter 1 is absolutely correct...none of this stupidity matters...Roy Moore should be elected for one reason...we have a country to save. In the first week of June 1944, no one was digging up old bones in the back yard of Omar Bradley, George Patton,Churchill, or Roosevelt The free world was at stake...today the freest , most productive society ever is in peril. The addition of another enemy of capitalism and liberty ,Jones, will be another nail in the coffin of the country. Surely you libs do not really think the folks already in D.C are as pure as snow....How do you think all those bars ,escort services, strip joints stay in business?...Do you really believe those lowly street sweepers can afford those $300.00 per hour ladies? Do you know that loveable Barney Frank was running a male prostitute service out of his basement? I bet you libs believe not a single one of the 100 Senators ever hired one of the ladies or guys???
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LOL. Of course it's tribalism - their whole concept of "conservative values" is nothing more than Old South, rural, white culture placed into government and politics. The mental and moral gymnastics involved in the above quotes are indeed impressive. So, to promote traditional family values and "Republican values" you're going to vote for a pedophile who molests underage girls? What does that say about the "values" you claim to support? It's rank hypocrisy, pure and simple. If these people were really serious about "family values", there's no way they would vote for someone who had violated those values in about the worst way possible. One of the few good things about Moore's campaign is that - following on the heels of Trump's campaign - it bluntly shows what a moral sham Evangelical Christianity has become, and just how empty of values and conscience they are. You abuse young girls? No problem - just vote our way on everything, piss off our enemies, and rant and rave in public - and we'll find some way to excuse your behavior. But - you're also a Christian (just quieter about it) and family man, you fight real evil (the KKK) - but you vote with the dreaded "librul elites" - screw you. And these people wonder why church attendance is sharply declining, especially among Millennials and younger folk.

ETA: I know from personal experience that Ph is largely correct about how rural conservatives view themselves and liberals. They see themselves as the only "Real Americans" and their values are the only "Real American" values. Liberals (if non-white) aren't just real Americans, at least not as much as them. White liberals often baffle them, but they mainly just see them as big-city snobs who look down on rural folk like them, or as people who have "lost their way" and fallen into some secular, sinful lifestyle that must be opposed at all costs. No doubt many of these folks really do see themselves locked in a "culture war" to the death - and they intend to win. The excuses for voting for Moore are a good example of this type of thinking.
 
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If conservatives didn’t want liberals to look down on them and be “snobby”, they shouldn’t support people like Roy Moore.

Related: calling out rank hypocrisy =/= looking down on conservatives.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
If conservatives didn’t want liberals to look down on them and be “snobby”, they shouldn’t support people like Roy Moore.

Related: calling out rank hypocrisy =/= looking down on conservatives.
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Agreed. They see it as snobbery, but it's pretty damned hard not to call them out when they're so "loud and proud" about their religious beliefs, and then completely ignore them to vote for Moore. Good Lord, Moore was twice removed from the bench for refusing to take the Ten Commandments off public property, and he's attacked gays as "perverts" - and yet he turns out to be a serial molester of young girls. How much more obvious and clear could the hypocrisy be?
 
It’s the triumph of

1. Right wing media.
2. A deranged Christianity that values lower taxes, less regulation, anti-abortionism, selective legalism, power, pride, greed, individualism and heterosexualism more than decency, honesty, grace, mercy, tolerance, humility, generosity, and cooperative endeavors.
3. Latent and not so latent racism.
 
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ConnorEl said:
Winston-Salem, ummm...conservatives, add their explanations and voice: letter to editor.

Quote:
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KEVIN FIELDS, Winston-Salem

Voting for Moore

I understand the disgust with former Alabama judge Roy Moore. The truth is that as far as his personal behavior goes, he’s probably like a lot of powerful men, including senators. We can find sexual aggressors on both sides of the aisle.

But those who are standing by him aren’t doing so simply from “tribalism,” like the liberals say, because he’s a Republican. They’re doing so because Moore would promote and vote for Republican principles. They support him because he’d vote in favor of the next conservative Supreme Court justice. He’d vote for family values. He’d vote for lower taxes.

His opponent, Doug Jones, is a fine man and was a fine U.S. attorney. I’m glad he put those KKK murderers away. But as a senator, he wouldn’t vote for conservative values.

I don’t condone Moore’s behavior, but I would vote for him if I lived in Alabama. You can’t control a senator’s behavior. But you can elect senators to vote the way they should. That’s what they’re doing in Alabama.
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And a comment on the letter:
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Willie Boone · Lincoln Park High

Letter 1 is absolutely correct...none of this stupidity matters...Roy Moore should be elected for one reason...we have a country to save. In the first week of June 1944, no one was digging up old bones in the back yard of Omar Bradley, George Patton,Churchill, or Roosevelt The free world was at stake...today the freest , most productive society ever is in peril. The addition of another enemy of capitalism and liberty ,Jones, will be another nail in the coffin of the country. Surely you libs do not really think the folks already in D.C are as pure as snow....How do you think all those bars ,escort services, strip joints stay in business?...Do you really believe those lowly street sweepers can afford those $300.00 per hour ladies? Do you know that loveable Barney Frank was running a male prostitute service out of his basement? I bet you libs believe not a single one of the 100 Senators ever hired one of the ladies or guys???
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This line of thinking actually scares the bejesus out of me. If you can rationalize and accept child molestation because of politics, then what else can you explain away?

Murder? Mass murder?
 
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