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Boy Scouts will admit girls

Grabs Turds Bare said:
I think the concern comes from adults who were in the Boy Scouts remembering what camping trips were like and trying to square that with having a female presence there. As folks have said, logistical separation of Cub Scout dens is very straight forward and is a great idea. The logistics involved in translating that to the Boy Scout experience are less straight-forward.
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Sums it up pretty well I think. It's a legit challenge, which is why I'd be interested to see what the separate program the article noted would entail.
 
Grabs Turds Bare said:
I think the concern comes from adults who were in the Boy Scouts remembering what camping trips were like and trying to square that with having a female presence there.
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I agree that having girls there would likely decrease some of those same-sex moments in your formative years deep in the woods, with nobody around, with only the campfire and moon as light, when your leg accidentally grazes Billy's and you share that fleeting glance and both giggle and slowly remove yourselves from the campfire to frolic in the trees together.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I agree that having girls there would likely decrease some of those same-sex moments in your formative years deep in the woods, with nobody around, with only the campfire and moon as light, when your leg accidentally grazes Billy's and you share that fleeting glance and both giggle and slowly remove yourselves from the campfire to frolic in the trees together.
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What the fuck is the matter with you?
 
19deac92 said:
What the fuck is the matter with you?
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what's the matter with people who think that girls ruin everything?

maybe if we don't act like it's a big fucking deal (for no reason) that girls might participate in activities that were traditionally all-male, it won't be a big deal. kids don't know the difference until we tell them otherwise.

you guys get that, right?
 
deaconson said:
Really rush? Tell us more about that fake news story Irma coming for florida and it was a media hoax before getting on your g5 to fly out of its way.
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Thank you Algore and your carbon free lifestyle! King of hoax. lol
 
Has RJ weighed in yet? The male /male stuff that happens in scouts isn't gay it's all about a social hierarchy and displays of power. Very important learning for the future.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
what's the matter with people who think that girls ruin everything?

maybe if we don't act like it's a big fucking deal (for no reason) that girls might participate in activities that were traditionally all-male, it won't be a big deal. kids don't know the difference until we tell them otherwise.

you guys get that, right?
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This is absolutely spot on.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i mean, it's almost like some of you guys have never interacted with a female human child
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I'm not sure to whom you are referring, but I've been interacting with a female human child of my own over the course of raising her the past 16 years.

Having 3 kids of my own, ages 19, 16 and 11; having been a Cub Scout myself; and having been an adult Cub Scout leader, wearing different hats, for 8 years, I think I have a decent foundation of life experience from which to draw upon in participating in this conversation. Let's turn this around to some of the folks lobbying snarky comments: What are your credentials to weigh in, beyond just being an asshole?
 
19deac92 said:
I'm not sure to whom you are referring, but I've been interacting with a female human child of my own over the course of raising her the past 16 years.

Having 3 kids of my own, ages 19, 16 and 11; having been a Cub Scout myself; and having been an adult Cub Scout leader, wearing different hats, for 8 years, I think I have a decent foundation of life experience from which to draw upon in participating in this conversation. Let's turn this around to some of the folks lobbying snarky comments: What are your credentials to weigh in, beyond just being an asshole?
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just a regular parent, dude.

i still haven't seen a single example of the sorts of "negative effects on the core essence" of the Scouts
 
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19deac92 said:
I'm not sure to whom you are referring, but I've been interacting with a female human child of my own over the course of raising her the past 16 years.

Having 3 kids of my own, ages 19, 16 and 11; having been a Cub Scout myself; and having been an adult Cub Scout leader, wearing different hats, for 8 years, I think I have a decent foundation of life experience from which to draw upon in participating in this conversation. Let's turn this around to some of the folks lobbying snarky comments: What are your credentials to weigh in, beyond just being an asshole?
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Went to all boys boarding school, it was pretty gheyness. also this:

Joe Gibson, a former Scoutmaster in the St. Petersburg, Florida area, was convicted in June 1982.[36]
Lee Pontius, former Daytona Beach, Florida area Scoutmaster, and current Silver Beaver honoree, was convicted multiple times of molesting Boy Scouts, including on a November 1982 camping trip.[37]
Martin Turner, a leader in Texas, pleaded guilty in 2008 to two counts of indecency with a child by contact and one count of attempted indecency with a child by contact. He had abused two children in cases going back up to 40 years.[38]
Al Steven Stein, a former boy scout leader in Santa Barbara, California, was convicted in 2009 for felony child molestation and misdemeanor possession of child pornography. Stein and the Boy Scouts of America were sued for negligent training, knowledge of Stein's propensities, and failure to report. Roe v. Boy Scouts of America, Stein et al., settled in 2015 with the BSA. J. Geck awarded judgment against Stein. BSA has since changed some of its policies as requested by plaintiffs.[39]
David McDonald Rankin, a former Scoutmaster in College Park, Maryland, was convicted for abusing Scouts between 1984 and 1987.[40]
Gary Lee Gephart, a former Cub Scout leader in Oceanside, California, was convicted in 1996.[41]
Howard W. Curtis, a Haverhill, Massachusetts leader, pleaded guilty in May 2008 for acts occurring in the 1980s.[42]
James Hiatt, a former Boy Scout leader in Texas, was convicted in May 2008 for abuse that took place from about 2003 to 2005.[43][44]
Brad Stowell confessed to molesting 24 boys from 1989 until his arrest in 1997. Authorities working at the camp were warned numerous times during his employment. In 1988, at age 16, Stowell had previously admitted to police that he molested a 6-year-old, which Scout officials were also aware of.[45]
Gary Wade Brown, a former Boy Scout Leader in Orem, Utah, in 2009 pleaded guilty to four counts of sexual abuse of a child and sexual exploitation of a minor, second-degree felonies, and one count of lewdness involving a child, a Class A misdemeanor. Seven additional charges were dismissed as part of a plea agreement. The abuse involved a 12-year-old boy and took place between 2005 and 2006.[3]
Charles Donald Corley, a Boy Scout volunteer in Birmingham, Alabama, was convicted for sexual abuse against three young men in 1995.[46][47]
Richard Turley, a former volunteer in California, was convicted of kidnapping and sexually assaulting an 11-year-old Canadian scout. After 18 months, he was released from a mental institution and went right back to work, beginning his volunteer work at a California scout camp. In 1979, he assaulted three of those scouts. Upon learning this, Boy Scouts of American simply told Turley to return to Canada, not warning Scouts Canada of Turley's criminal behavior. In 1996, Turley went on to assault four boys, three of which were scouts, in Victoria, British Columbia. He was sentenced to seven years in prison.[48]
James Molyneaux, 2004, a former Boy Scout leader and 6th-grade English school teacher in Portville, New York, was arrested in connection to an abuse case of a 13-year-old in July 1997 at a campground owned by the Molyneaux family that was used for scouting activities and another case of an 11-year-old at his home in Portville, NY in September 2000. Although Molyneaux denied the charges, at trial he was found guilty of two counts of first-degree sodomy, two counts of second-degree sodomy, and one count of first-degree sexual abuse. Molyneaux is currently serving 17 1/2 to 23 years with a maximum sentence of 57 years in the Clinton Correctional Facility. The state has denied his appeal [49]
Garth David Snively, 1994, a former Boy Scout leader, was convicted for two counts of first-degree child molestation and sentenced to 11 years after his 1993 arrest for molesting at least 20 Boy Scout members of various ages over several years, as well as while a mentor in the Big Brothers program. His victims testified in court that while at his home in Everett, Washington, Snively would apply baby powder to and fondle their genitals, make them wear diapers and, in addition, make them fondle, powder and diaper him.[50] A Level III sex offender, Snively was released and now resides in Centralia, Washington.[51]
Richard Merry was an assistant Scout Leader in Troop 691, part of the Georgia Coastal Counsel, from 2006-2010. In September 2011, Merry was found guilty of victimizing several Boy Scouts in a general court martial and sentenced to 52 years of confinement and dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Navy. He is currently incarcerated at Leavenworth US Penitentiary.
 
I don't have any specific credentials to comment on this other than feeling that the burden should be placed on explaining why a group benefits from being same-sex exclusive rather than simply existing that way because "that's the way we've always done it."
 
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You know what's really ridiculous about Boy Scouts ? The grown men in Boy Scout Uniforms. That's ridiculous.
 
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