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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

Bird, basketball has been different than football regarding commitments. In football, commitments are basically worthless until a player is signed. In bball, recruiting usually the instant a commitment is made. Thus, trying to change a player's mind after a LOI is signed is beyond rare.

Add to the above, that the coach who got the signing would have to give a full release and this would happen within the ACC on such a limited basis that a simple rule of, if the coach gives a full release, the player is free to sign anywhere, would be fine.
 
Trying to change a player's mind after they've signed a LOI is a NCAA violation. Schools cannot contact a LOI signing recruit, except for their own.
 
Bird, basketball has been different than football regarding commitments. In football, commitments are basically worthless until a player is signed. In bball, recruiting usually the instant a commitment is made. Thus, trying to change a player's mind after a LOI is signed is beyond rare.

Add to the above, that the coach who got the signing would have to give a full release and this would happen within the ACC on such a limited basis that a simple rule of, if the coach gives a full release, the player is free to sign anywhere, would be fine.

I am not saying I agree with the rule, but how do you know it would be such a limited basis if the rules allow players to switch schools, after signing a letter of intent, without penalty. There definitely seems to be a trend of players switching schools already.
Schools don't want to be in the position of letting a committed player go or deal with the potential implications of blocking a kid from going to a different conference school.
 
I am not saying I agree with the rule, but how do you know it would be such a limited basis if the rules allow players to switch schools, after signing a letter of intent, without penalty. There definitely seems to be a trend of players switching schools already.
Schools don't want to be in the position of letting a committed player go or deal with the potential implications of blocking a kid from going to a different conference school.

What I'm saying is IF the school LETS him out. Not if the kid wants to change his mind.
 
If Manning is here to stay, can something be done to bolster his in game coaching with a more experienced assistant? Maybe an average recruiter but someone with a passion for teaching who wants one last stop before retirement? Insert hide behind couch emoji here.
 
If Manning is here to stay, can something be done to bolster his in game coaching with a more experienced assistant? Maybe an average recruiter but someone with a passion for teaching who wants one last stop before retirement? Insert hide behind couch emoji here.

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If Manning is here to stay, can something be done to bolster his in game coaching with a more experienced assistant? Maybe an average recruiter but someone with a passion for teaching who wants one last stop before retirement? Insert hide behind couch emoji here.
This suggestion always comes up and it's silly. It would require Manning to sit on the bench during the game while an assistant runs the game. The guy earning 7 figures sitting on the bench...

Why wouldn't you just fire the expensive "head" coach in that scenario?
 
This suggestion always comes up and it's silly. It would require Manning to sit on the bench during the game while an assistant runs the game. The guy earning 7 figures sitting on the bench...

Why wouldn't you just fire the expensive "head" coach in that scenario?

Agree. If Manning was a 31 year old, first time lower tier D-1 coach that needed a mentor as an assistant coach, so be it - but not to run games. Especially as someone making seven figures. Racer's comments are true regardless of the school based on the compensation.
 
This suggestion always comes up and it's silly. It would require Manning to sit on the bench during the game while an assistant runs the game. The guy earning 7 figures sitting on the bench...

Why wouldn't you just fire the expensive "head" coach in that scenario?
My scenario assumes that that guy isn't going to be fired. So what else can we do to get better. I can assure you a smart coach can sit beside DM and say, "Time to call a TO," "Too many guards on the floor," etc.
 
It's just an absurd scenario to suggest that we hire a guy to sit on the bench and whisper suggestions to our head coach. Manning is usually up and moving. Is said coach going to ride on his back? Why would Manning even submit to such a scenario? Why would any assistant submit to such a scenario?
 
My scenario assumes that that guy isn't going to be fired. So what else can we do to get better. I can assure you a smart coach can sit beside DM and say, "Time to call a TO," "Too many guards on the floor," etc.

In-game management may have been one of the skills that working for Self all those years didn't really teach Danny. When your team has the usually superior talent, game management isn't as important as it is when you are trying to steal games with inferior talent.
 
It's just an absurd scenario to suggest that we hire a guy to sit on the bench and whisper suggestions to our head coach. Manning is usually up and moving. Is said coach going to ride on his back? Why would Manning even submit to such a scenario?
I'm hoping Manning eventually wants to win, and recognizes his weakness in that area, and shores it up. But that may be hoping too much.

You act as though staffs are never constructed this way. Our situation is a prime example of when it is called for. Coaches try to build teams with different skill sets - stars, shooters, rebounders, defensive specialists, etc. I wish DM built his coaching staff with the same philosophy.

In-game management may have been one of the skills that working for Self all those years didn't really teach Danny. When your team has the usually superior talent, game management isn't as important as it is when you are trying to steal games with inferior talent.
True.
 
He does not recognize his weaknesses. He has had the same ones since be arrived. They were partially masked by the "talent" [Redacted] had amassed under ronnie's leadership.
 
He does not recognize his weaknesses. He has had the same ones since be arrived. They were partially masked by the "talent" [name redacted] had amassed under ronnie's leadership.

How true. DM is a tad on the arrogant side.
 
How true. DM is a tad on the arrogant side.

That is harsh in describing Danny. He started at the bottom of Self's Kansas staff and worked his way up.

I would see it more of he doesn't know what he doesn't know. If you never saw your mentor engage in much in game coaching, you just don't know much about what it is or how it is done.
 
That is harsh in describing Danny. He started at the bottom of Self's Kansas staff and worked his way up.

I would see it more of he doesn't know what he doesn't know. If you never saw your mentor engage in much in game coaching, you just don't know much about what it is or how it is done.

Dunning-Kruger has been an issue for our last two coaches.
 
That is harsh in describing Danny. He started at the bottom of Self's Kansas staff and worked his way up.

I would see it more of he doesn't know what he doesn't know. If you never saw your mentor engage in much in game coaching, you just don't know much about what it is or how it is done.

Coach doesn't know in-game coaching, but let's not be harsh!
 
Danny has got to start getting his players to want to play. He needs to get pissed off and inspire the team. To me this is a bigger issue than the in game play calling. He looks scared on the sideline, needs to be a leader, get vocal and not accept anything less than 100% effort on the court.
 
That is harsh in describing Danny. He started at the bottom of Self's Kansas staff and worked his way up.

I would see it more of he doesn't know what he doesn't know. If you never saw your mentor engage in much in game coaching, you just don't know much about what it is or how it is done.
lol the dudes full time job since he's probably been 15 years old has been basketball, it's hopeless if he doesnt get it by now
 
lol the dudes full time job since he's probably been 15 years old has been basketball, it's hopeless if he doesnt get it by now

It might be a communication problem, but his degree from Kansas is in communications.
 
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