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first of all, the liberal-conservative dichotomy is limited, but we can work with that

the y-axis spectrum of "quality" is trying to measure more than one dimension: it is trying to measure accuracy, reporting style, and completeness all on one line. For example, an outlet can both report facts and be selective; it could offer complex analysis and also be misleading. The Y-axis tries to mash up too many variables.

And then it's just plain off on many of it's X-axis attributions. Jacobin is a hard left socialist journal, yet the chart has it at the same spot on the X-axis as the Atlantic. The Economist and Wall Street Journal are further right than "skew conservative." The Guradian is much further left than the Atlantic, the New Yorker, Slate, the Daily Beast, and many, many others on there.

They tried to create a neat diagram and shoehorned it to be so.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
first of all, the liberal-conservative dichotomy is limited, but we can work with that

the y-axis spectrum of "quality" is trying to measure more than one dimension: it is trying to measure accuracy, reporting style, and completeness all on one line. For example, an outlet can both report facts and be selective; it could offer complex analysis and also be misleading. The Y-axis tries to mash up too many variables.

And then it's just plain off on many of it's X-axis attributions. Jacobin is a hard left socialist journal, yet the chart has it at the same spot on the X-axis as the Atlantic. The Economist and Wall Street Journal are further right than "skew conservative." The Guradian is much further left than the Atlantic, the New Yorker, Slate, the Daily Beast, and many, many others on there.

They tried to create a neat diagram and shoehorned it to be so.
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the liberal-conservative dichotomy is probably limited in the interest of scope. weird critique. not interested in debating how far left or right a pub should move.

w/r/t the y-axis, I don't see that. I see a y-axis that attempts to measure pure objectivity/fact at the top and pure subjectivity/opinion at the bottom. obviously as you move away from face value facts "the tax plan will cost x" "the sky is blue" you move toward complex analysis "the tax plan will cost this group x and this group y, and over z years will change c amount" then subjective analysis "the tax plan will cost this group x, which is not good", eventually winding up in the realm of falsehoods and propaganda "the tax plan is a conservative conspiracy to oppress minorities." it's not perfect, but it's not a "terrible" methodology for measuring epistemological claims.

to clarify, can you offer an example of a misleading complex analysis? since it's at the top of the y-axis, any such reporting has to deal with facts and not falsehoods.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
first of all, the liberal-conservative dichotomy is limited, but we can work with that

the y-axis spectrum of "quality" is trying to measure more than one dimension: it is trying to measure accuracy, reporting style, and completeness all on one line. For example, an outlet can both report facts and be selective; it could offer complex analysis and also be misleading. The Y-axis tries to mash up too many variables.

And then it's just plain off on many of it's X-axis attributions. Jacobin is a hard left socialist journal, yet the chart has it at the same spot on the X-axis as the Atlantic. The Economist and Wall Street Journal are further right than "skew conservative." The Guradian is much further left than the Atlantic, the New Yorker, Slate, the Daily Beast, and many, many others on there.

They tried to create a neat diagram and shoehorned it to be so.
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so basically, you agree with the chart but not on how far in a given axis based on eye test
 
BiffTannen said:
Y'all doing anything for International Women's Day ?
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I was about to cut my male student workers in line for coffee and tell them it was International Women's Day but they let me go first because I am the boss.
 
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