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Should Manning be canned at the end of the season?

Shit canning manning?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 27.5%

  • No

    Votes: 130 67.4%

  • Hire Kenpom & the 7 Dwarves

    Votes: 10 5.2%
  • Total voters
    193
  • Poll closed .
So it seems like most people are in agreement that something similar to Skip’s first season (KP: 30, 21-13 (9-7), ACCT semis, and Round of 32) is the expectation for Manning next year.
 
CharlotteDeac1 said:
Nope. Right in line with you and every other person that doesn’t act like the sky is falling. He has next year to produce, if not he’s gone. I even said the 2019 recruiting class being subpar combined with a good season would have me feeling pretty bad about our future with him. I get the rep of being a huge manning fan because I tell people how stupid some of their specific critiques are. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

I want to be an 8 seed or better next year (could be lower if we win 1/2 games in the tourney) and have a good incoming class for 2019 or I’ll think Manning needs to go. My stance really isn’t something absurd like the people all in their feelings seem to suggest it is. Pretty moderate, actually.
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I'm not going to pound pavement for Manning to be removed; but it's tough watch our defense, intensity and turnovers and think that Manning has signs of becoming a good head coach. Right now he seems to be a decent recruiter and big man specialist. Nothing more.
 
ManhassetDeac said:
I'm not going to pound pavement for Manning to be removed; but it's tough watch our defense, intensity and turnovers and think that Manning has signs of becoming a good head coach. Right now he seems to be a decent recruiter and big man specialist. Nothing more.
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That’s not mutually exclusive with being a good head coach. Good recruiting is the best way to fix defense and turnover issues. Not even going to address “intensity”. We could have a team full of Wojos and Hansbroughs but if we were losing someone on here would still be bitching about “intensity”.
 
My criteria:
1. Any one of the following (20 wins, >500 in ACC play, NCAA birth)
2. 2 four star 2019 recruits

Barring unforeseen departures/injury, I'm very confidant next year's team will be good. I'm mostly worried that this year will screw up recruiting for 2019 and we will end up with backup choices that are 3* non-starter level ACC players. We have 3 players (Hoard/Brown/Sarr) that could be similar to Collins---ie they have potential to blow up and leave early and it is hard to know if and when that actually happens. With turnover in college Bball these days we just can't have major gaps in recruiting years since Wake can't fill these with top level JUCO/transfers like other programs.
 
wfupdx said:
My criteria:
1. Any one of the following (20 wins, >500 in ACC play, NCAA birth)
2. 2 four star 2019 recruits

Barring unforeseen departures/injury, I'm very confidant next year's team will be good. I'm mostly worried that this year will screw up recruiting for 2019 and we will end up with backup choices that are 3* non-starter level ACC players. We have 3 players (Hoard/Brown/Sarr) that could be similar to Collins---ie they have potential to blow up and leave early and it is hard to know if and when that actually happens. With turnover in college Bball these days we just can't have major gaps in recruiting years since Wake can't fill these with top level JUCO/transfers like other programs.
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Best response I’ve seen yet.

If a scholarship opens up and EJ goes elsewhere, I wouldn’t mind grabbing a promising transfer instead of a postgrad. Would be a good hedge against missing out on our top 2019 targets.
 
Man if we sign two 4-stars in 19 I will be absolutely giddy about our future, doesn't even matter if Manning turns out to be a dud at that point, we will be set up. Either Manning will succeed and we will have our coach, or he will flop, and the next guy will come in and have a full cupboard to take to the post-season.
 
Wrangor said:
This is what he must do in 18-19 and 19-20. I don't think that even the strongest Manning supporter would state otherwise. He must produce consistent success. All I have ever really seen argued (outside of maybe CharlotteDeac - who seems to be a huge fan of Manning), is that Manning deserves more patience as a coach due to the steaming pile of crap he inherited. Every coach gets a year or two of grace to figure things out. I think Manning deserves about 3-4. Come next year, he will need to produce or hit the road.
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You used to be a coach which gives you some added credibility on this subject. I wonder if it also gives you added sympathy for a struggling coach.

My question is "what specifically has Manning shown that gives you confidence that Manning knows what he is doing and is a good coach and will have a banner year next year?"

I have seen very little to suggest it. Do you think Wake just needs the talent and coaching is over rated?
 
Wrangor said:
Man if we sign two 4-stars in 19 I will be absolutely giddy about our future, doesn't even matter if Manning turns out to be a dud at that point, we will be set up. Either Manning will succeed and we will have our coach, or he will flop, and the next guy will come in and have a full cupboard to take to the post-season.
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Are you sure about that? Seems the 4 year talented player is like a unicorn.
 
knowell said:
You used to be a coach which gives you some added credibility on this subject. I wonder if it also gives you added sympathy for a struggling coach.

My question is "what specifically has Manning shown that gives you confidence that Manning knows what he is doing and is a good coach and will have a banner year next year?"

I have seen very little to suggest it. Do you think Wake just needs the talent and coaching is over rated?
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He coached a top 40 team in year 3 despite inheriting a program with 3* talent that hasn’t been relevant in 4 years.

He recruited two top 35 players who will both be on the roster next year to go along with 3 other top 100 players.

Far from conclusive but certainly more than very little.
 
Is this incoming class as good on paper as the one BZ inherited year one? I don't think it is.
 
RChildress107 said:
That’s not mutually exclusive with being a good head coach. Good recruiting is the best way to fix defense and turnover issues. Not even going to address “intensity”. We could have a team full of Wojos and Hansbroughs but if we were losing someone on here would still be bitching about “intensity”.
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You play smart and hard defense and you win some games you shouldn't. I can't really remember us doing that under Manning. That's what I meant by intensity
 
RChildress107 said:
He coached a top 40 team in year 3 despite inheriting a program with 3* talent that hasn’t been relevant in 4 years.

He recruited two top 35 players who will both be on the roster next year to go along with 3 other top 100 players.

Far from conclusive but certainly more than very little.
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Missing out on the round of 64 with one of the all time great talents at Wake would have me rethinking just about everything I did as a coach. Certainly would not be a laurel to rest upon.
 
That’s the thing I don’t get about this board’s take on Manning. There is clearly a decent amount of evidence on both sides but the Manning Sucks crowd can’t seem to admit that.

I argue that Manning’s results have been mixed and that the overall trajectory of the program is within range of where it should be and people label me an AD shill. I’ve been critical of Manning’s performance this season and have been pretty consistent in my expectations from day 1 four years ago and have stayed that Manning has to meet a fairly high bar next year or he’s gone. And somehow I’m the delusional one?
 
knowell said:
Missing out on the round of 64 with one of the all time great talents at Wake would have me rethinking just about everything I did as a coach. Certainly would not be a laurel to rest upon.
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Finding 3* big man (who somehow everyone missed on despite him being from Florida and playing on the AAU circuit) and turning him into one of the all time great talents at Wake (strong words) this excelerating your rebuilding process would have you rethinking just about everything you did as a coach? Weird.

Recruiting and developing talent is overwhelmingly the most important aspect of being a successful college coach.
 
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