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Trump wants to replace Food Stamps with Blue Apron lite

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...e-food-stamps-blue-apron-type-program-n847586

Besides being moronic on its face, how about all the additional costs? Who pays for the boxes? Who puts them together? Who pays for delivering them? What about special needs/allergies? How much would it cost to find out about special needs/allergies?

The right attacked Michelle Obama relentlessly for simply wanting to have healthy school lunches. Now, Trump wants to decide how and what tens of millions of Americans will eat.

Talk about being a dictator?
 
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What determines when RJ starts a thread with trump news, like when he first stumbles upon it since this was in the news Monday, heavily in the news yesterday, now meh.
 
Surprised the small government assholes want to get into picking what elderly and poor people eat for dinner.

Done right, not by these nitwits, some kind of food distribution system is interesting. If it were run more like a New Deal 'works' program - tied in nutritionists, environmentalists, local farmers, clean energy transportation, and youth group type volunteers - it might be a great way to get Americans off of shitty food and back into their own kitchens using whole ingredients to prepare meals.

Appoint Michelle Obama to run it, appropriate the necessary funding, and set up transparency and checks on the system's accountability and results and you might just lower health care costs, bring communities together thus lowering crime rates and raising property values, create new investment in clean energy trucks and distribution centers, and so forth to defray the costs.

But shitty America would never use something as simple as food to help itself out of multiple problems. No, too much money to be made on sick people eating shit food and politicians using these wedge issues to divide the electorate and give themselves and wealthy benefactors tax breaks, from sea to shining fucking sea
 
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"USDA claims the new plan would save $129.2 billion over 10 years."

13 billion a year is quite an estimate.
 
this will be like the meals in Puerto Rico being like Doritos and Snickers
 
What determines when RJ starts a thread with trump news, like when he first stumbles upon it since this was in the news Monday, heavily in the news yesterday, now meh.

But not addressed here in a decent way...when you agree with something, but not that I brought it up, we get a post like this.

It's nice you pay so much attention to me. It's so sweet.

Back to the subject, in NC, you'd get about $113/person or about $452/month for a family of four. If they got two boxes per month, you'd likely take 15-20% away due to the costs.
 
"USDA claims the new plan would save $129.2 billion over 10 years."

13 billion a year is quite an estimate.

And they can get you some oceanfront property in Wyoming as well if you believe that number.
 
The NBC article is woefully short on actual details - Politico's article provides more information: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/12/food-stamps-trump-administration-343245

via Politico

on remaining monthly allotment:

In budget materials, USDA said it would be able to deliver this food at "approximately half the retail cost," a claim advocates found hard to believe. Food-stamp recipients would get their remaining monthly allotment on debit cards that they can use in grocery stores, as they do now. The proposal applies to households receiving at least $90 a month in benefits, which covers more than 80 percent of SNAP recipients. That’s more than 16 million households.

on projected savings:
But America’s Harvest Box, which USDA contends would save over $129 billion over 10 years, is not very comparable to startup meal-delivery companies like Blue Apron. For one, the Trump administration’s proposal doesn’t include fresh items, like produce or meat, which are the core of Blue Apron and its competitors. Such products perish quickly and are incredibly expensive to ship.

Asked about how delivery would work, USDA spokesman Tim Murtaugh clarified that states would “have flexibility” in how they choose to distribute the food to SNAP recipients. In other words, the federal government almost certainly would not be picking up the tab for any type of Amazon-style delivery system. “The projected savings does not include shipping door-to-door for all recipients,” Murtaugh said.

on a pre-existing USDA program:
Administration officials pointed out that USDA already distributes commodities. Currently, such food items are largely shipped to schools, food banks and other organizations — which in turn distribute the food to those who need it. The Commodity Supplemental Food Program, for example, sends boxes of food to some 600,000 low-income elderly with the help of food banks and other nonprofits. The fiscal 2019 budget seeks to eliminate that program and combine it with the harvest box program.
Robert Mueller is pictured.

However, a plan for SNAP recipients would be an exponentially larger undertaking, covering more than 16 million households. While grocery and meal-delivery companies are growing more common, their scale is still relatively small and largely confined to urban areas. Blue Apron, for example, has around 1 million customers.
 
My gut tells me Trump and anyone working for him has no idea how to do an ROI on jack shit.

Trump? Probably.
Lower level USDA employees - as potentially lifetime federal workers - are likely very familiar with ROI.
 
I think we are discovering Trump's real value: When he addresses issues he is so fucking stupid and hires such bad people with such horrible and ill-considered solutions, that it fosters real dialogue about what is behind the numbers and ideas bubble up.

There's a word for it, when a dunce happens upon solutions resulting from his idiocy. Or maybe that was an opera or play I had to go to as a kid.....
 
The boxes would be full of the cheapest goods possible that the government finds in excess. Without anything perishable you can imagine what that would be. If this program was combined with a good food waste collection program, like the fresh fruits and vegetable deemed too ugly to sell bought for pennies on the dollar you would actually be making some improvements.
 
Trump’s ‘Harvest Box’ Isn’t Viable in SNAP Overhaul, Officials Say

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WASHINGTON — The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program offers about 46 million low-income Americans both sustenance and economic choice by providing an allowance to buy the fruit, meat, fresh vegetables, soda, ice cream and kind of bread they want to eat.

But on Monday, the Trump administration sprung a surprise: Under a proposal in the president’s budget many participants in the program would be given half their benefits in the form of a “Harvest Box” full of food preselected for nutritional value and economic benefit to American farmers. The cache of cheaper peanut butter, canned goods, pasta, cereal, “shelf stable” milk and other products would now be selected by the federal government, not by the people actually eating it.

The proposal seemed like a radical overhaul of the country’s core food assistance program — once called food stamps but now commonly known as SNAP. The idea was to shave about $21 billion a year from the federal deficit over the next 10 years. But the reaction was immediate, and largely negative.

Democrats claimed the plan shackled the poor while business groups, led by big food retailers, would stand to lose billions of dollars in lost SNAP business. The head of one trade association typically supportive of President Trump’s economic policies accused the administration of reneging on its pledge to cut “red tape and regulations.”

In reality, administration officials on Tuesday admitted that the food-box plan — which the president’s budget director Mick Mulvaney compared to the Blue Apron grocery delivery service — had virtually no chance of being implemented anytime soon.

Instead, the idea, according to two administration officials who worked on the proposal, was a political gambit by fiscal hawks in the administration aimed at outraging liberals and stirring up members of the president’s own party working on the latest version of the farm bill. The move, they said, was intended to lay down a marker that the administration is serious about pressing for about $85 billion in other cuts to food assistance programs that will be achieved, in part, by imposing strict new work requirements on recipients.

“I don’t think there’s really any support for their box plan. And, I worry that it’s a distraction from the budget’s proposal to cut SNAP by some 30 percent. That’s the real battle,” said Stacy Dean, vice president for food assistance policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a progressive Washington think tank. “The dangers are these other proposals to cut benefits. But all anyone is talking about today are the boxes.”

Senator Debbie Stabenow, the ranking Democrat on the agriculture committee, doubted the motives behind the plan.

“This isn’t a serious proposal and is clearly meant to be a distraction,” Ms. Stabenow said.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue stealthily pitched the idea over the last few weeks to the White House’s Domestic Policy Council as a novel way to reach the administration’s self-imposed goal of slashing federal food assistance programs by $214 billion over the next decade. It was quickly embraced by Mr. Mulvaney, a fiscal hawk who is seeking to steer a debate increasingly dominated by free-spending Republicans and Mr. Trump, who has insisted on major budget increases for the Pentagon and Homeland Security.

Neither man had any illusions that the plan would be immediately embraced by congressional Republicans, who were not given advance notice of the proposal, the officials said.

That the food-box approach has been tried only in small demonstration projects and never been seriously discussed during dozens of congressional hearings on the SNAP program in recent years did not stop administration officials from putting the force of Mr. Trump’s presidency behind it.

The budget documents released on Monday omitted other important details, including the real costs of creating a nationwide distribution network for the boxes, especially in rural areas hard hit by the economic downturn and the opioid crisis.

“We have had like 25 hearings on SNAP. The witness list was controlled by Republicans and this idea was never, ever broached,” said Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts, ranking Democrat on the House subcommittee that oversees federal food assistance programs. “I think it’s dead on arrival — I hope it is — but either way it’s a cruel joke. My God, these people are awful. In addition to being totally misinformed on policy, they are really just not nice people.”

In a statement, Mr. Perdue defended the proposal as humane and cost effective, saying his plan offered the “same level of food value” provided by the SNAP program, which replaced the food stamp program in the late 1990s.

He described the boxes as “a bold, innovative approach to providing nutritious food to people who need assistance feeding themselves and their families — and all of it is grown by American farmers and producers.”

Still, the idea landed with a thud. It was quickly dismissed by two Republican committee chairmen, Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas, who leads the Senate agriculture committee, and his counterpart in the House, Representative K. Michael Conaway of Texas.

Mr. Conaway is drafting a farm bill that is expected to slash billions in spending in the SNAP program through the tightening of some eligibility requirements. Mr. Roberts is overseeing an effort to craft a version of the bill that is expected to include fewer cuts in hopes of gaining the bipartisan support needed to push the measure through the Senate.

SNAP, like many other safety net programs, is designed to expand during hard economic times and contract when the economy improves. Nonetheless, the program’s rolls have remained at historically elevated levels, reaching a peak of 47.8 million recipients in 2012 before edging down to 45.6 million last year, according to federal estimates.

Mr. Perdue, in particular, has been outspoken in his call to reduce its rolls, criticizing what he calls a culture of dependency among SNAP recipients.

But Mr. McGovern said the administration was painting “a distorted picture” of the poor and ignoring the fact that most SNAP recipients are employed and more than a quarter are disabled and unable to seek work.

“They have to stop playing to the cheap seats,” he said. “The majority of people in the program are children and seniors and people working in jobs that pay too little to feed their families.”
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Welcome to the commodity box program everybody. Native people can tell you there’s never been a consideration for food allergens or nutritional value, it’s just what the US government calls tough titties. The commodity program started when we signed treaties and were forced onto reservations and in return for land (which we had no real choice but to sign away under threat of murder), we would receive food and healthcare. The lack of food (in reality their attempts to starve us to death) is partly where the origin of fry bread came from. So this is a case study over a century in the making. The implementation is unfair, and it is unconscionable, and it is oppressive, but the reality is that this has been going on for a very, very long time.

This is just a singular example TO ME of why caring about native issues, experiences, and policy should be important to non-native people. This shit circles back around because guaranteed what gets done to native people will make its way to the larger population at some point. The point where I become bitter, angry, and resentful is when people express outrage that what’s been going on with us for centuries is finally happening to them. Whether it’s commod boxes or community displacement, if you’d look to history and the native experience, you’d see that what’s being done is a natural expression of what’s already BEEN done - to us. My point here is when you’re only outraged or educated on an issue when it finally impacts you, that means you intrinsically feel like dispossession, removal, abuse, disappearance, mistreatment, genocide, and colonization of the indigenous population is an “ok” and natural process - because it’s serving YOU. That’s the shit I’m not ok with.
 
Surprised the small government assholes want to get into picking what elderly and poor people eat for dinner.

Done right, not by these nitwits, some kind of food distribution system is interesting. If it were run more like a New Deal 'works' program - tied in nutritionists, environmentalists, local farmers, clean energy transportation, and youth group type volunteers - it might be a great way to get Americans off of shitty food and back into their own kitchens using whole ingredients to prepare meals.

Appoint Michelle Obama to run it, appropriate the necessary funding, and set up transparency and checks on the system's accountability and results and you might just lower health care costs, bring communities together thus lowering crime rates and raising property values, create new investment in clean energy trucks and distribution centers, and so forth to defray the costs.

But shitty America would never use something as simple as food to help itself out of multiple problems. No, too much money to be made on sick people eating shit food and politicians using these wedge issues to divide the electorate and give themselves and wealthy benefactors tax breaks, from sea to shining fucking sea
Bakes take: Good if Obama does it.

In all seriousness it is a bad idea. I’d be more for community designated stores that stocked healthy food in which food credits are excepted only, so they can’t go cash them in on 24 mountain dews. Also it would reduce the black market value of food stamps.
 

My dad was in the National Guard and used to get a shitton of these. Any time Mom went out of town, he would pretend we were "camping" and make us eat these. Either that, or eggs microwaved in a cup. We hated it when Mom left town. Did I have a traumatic childhood?
 
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