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The demise of Wake Forest Basketball

PhDeac said:
Right. The justification for firing Dino only months after giving him an extension was lack of success in March.
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Since firing Dino Wake hasn't had any success in March and hasn't really had any success at all.
 
DeacinBama said:
I agree; it's been 8 years. If people know something, then it's time to spill the beans. If it's conjecture and rumors, then stop. If what Dino was doing was so heinous that it can't be shared after 8 years, then the people still there (i.e. Wellman) are responsible for a CNN-level cover-up and should be fired for cause.
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TITCR
 
My 2 cents - I was coaching AAU basketball with JT Terrell's uncle, when Dino got fired. I showed up at practice one night and he was the one who told me Dino had been fired. According to him, Wellman and Dino were meeting to review the status of the program. In that meeting, Wellman told Dino the players in the program were getting out of control and that we would no longer be recruiting one-and-done type kids. He wanted to recruit talented players, but ones that would stay 4 years (get their degree) and be good representatives of Wake Forest. Dino protested, saying 'the teams that win the ACC are the teams with the most NBA talent'. Wellman demanded the change and when Dino stood his ground (he had a nice buyout), Wellman fired him.

To me, that fits well with what heard and saw in the proceeding years.
- We did have a few players that were 'majoring in pre-NBA'
- There were some disciplinary issues (debatable whether is was more than we have seen since the change)
- No way Wellman was going to announce the change in recruiting philosophy, so he blamed the March collapses
- I heard Skip say several time, the teams that consistently win the ACC are the ones with the most NBA players
- Wellman was targeting Brad Stevens, so he could implement the 4 year "butler" plan
- We know what happened when that fell through, but how many times did Wellman and Redacted mention gym rats and five-star hearts?
- The word 'Culture' became a drinking game during Wake basketball broadcasts

It seems like a foregone conclusion now, but at the time many top-tier programs (like Duke for example) where deciding whether they wanted to follow a Kentucky like 'one-and-done' model or whether bringing in more top four-year type players made the most sense. Wellman choose five-star hearts and hired an incompetent buffoon to implement his plan.

Wake basketball used to matter to me - now I barely even watch any of the games.
 
Bill George said:
He will not answer the question.
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I’m not sure if that is referring to me since I posted it, but I was being sarcastic. I’ve read it for 8 years now that he had to go “if you knew what really happened” & have always rolled my eyes. He could have fucked everyone & everything, but the Redacted hire can never be justified.
 
91deac said:
My 2 cents - I was coaching AAU basketball with JT Terrell's uncle, when Dino got fired. I showed up at practice one night and he was the one who told me Dino had been fired. According to him, Wellman and Dino were meeting to review the status of the program. In that meeting, Wellman told Dino the players in the program were getting out of control and that we would no longer be recruiting one-and-done type kids. He wanted to recruit talented players, but ones that would stay 4 years (get their degree) and be good representatives of Wake Forest. Dino protested, saying 'the teams that win the ACC are the teams with the most NBA talent'. Wellman demanded the change and when Dino stood his ground (he had a nice buyout), Wellman fired him.

To me, that fits well with what heard and saw in the proceeding years.
- We did have a few players that were 'majoring in pre-NBA'
- There were some disciplinary issues (debatable whether is was more than we have seen since the change)
- No way Wellman was going to announce the change in recruiting philosophy, so he blamed the March collapses
- I heard Skip say several time, the teams that consistently win the ACC are the ones with the most NBA players
- Wellman was targeting Brad Stevens, so he could implement the 4 year "butler" plan
- We know what happened when that fell through, but how many times did Wellman and Redacted mention gym rats and five-star hearts?
- The word 'Culture' became a drinking game during Wake basketball broadcasts

It seems like a foregone conclusion now, but at the time many top-tier programs (like Duke for example) where deciding whether they wanted to follow a Kentucky like 'one-and-done' model or whether bringing in more top four-year type players made the most sense. Wellman choose five-star hearts and hired an incompetent buffoon to implement his plan.

Wake basketball used to matter to me - now I barely even watch any of the games.
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Very interesting. At least we don't have guys getting in knife fights now. Thanks Ron.
 
The rumors were Dino was hooking it with co-eds. Even though I heard lots of chatter about it from a variety of people back when Dino was fired (both from people working for Wake and donors), I don't think there was ever any smoking gun.

Smear campaign coordinated by Wake to get Dino out? Possibly - no concrete evidence though.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
The rumors were Dino was hooking it with co-eds. Even though I heard lots of chatter about it from a variety of people back when Dino was fired (both from people working for Wake and donors), I don't think there was ever any smoking gun.

Smear campaign coordinated by Wake to get Dino out? Possibly - no concrete evidence though.
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Our version of Gottfried?
 
91deac said:
My 2 cents - I was coaching AAU basketball with JT Terrell's uncle, when Dino got fired. I showed up at practice one night and he was the one who told me Dino had been fired. According to him, Wellman and Dino were meeting to review the status of the program. In that meeting, Wellman told Dino the players in the program were getting out of control and that we would no longer be recruiting one-and-done type kids. He wanted to recruit talented players, but ones that would stay 4 years (get their degree) and be good representatives of Wake Forest. Dino protested, saying 'the teams that win the ACC are the teams with the most NBA talent'. Wellman demanded the change and when Dino stood his ground (he had a nice buyout), Wellman fired him.

To me, that fits well with what heard and saw in the proceeding years.
- We did have a few players that were 'majoring in pre-NBA'
- There were some disciplinary issues (debatable whether is was more than we have seen since the change)
- No way Wellman was going to announce the change in recruiting philosophy, so he blamed the March collapses
- I heard Skip say several time, the teams that consistently win the ACC are the ones with the most NBA players
- Wellman was targeting Brad Stevens, so he could implement the 4 year "butler" plan
- We know what happened when that fell through, but how many times did Wellman and Redacted mention gym rats and five-star hearts?
- The word 'Culture' became a drinking game during Wake basketball broadcasts

It seems like a foregone conclusion now, but at the time many top-tier programs (like Duke for example) where deciding whether they wanted to follow a Kentucky like 'one-and-done' model or whether bringing in more top four-year type players made the most sense. Wellman choose five-star hearts and hired an incompetent buffoon to implement his plan.

Wake basketball used to matter to me - now I barely even watch any of the games.
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pretty much right on target, good post
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
The rumors were Dino was hooking it with co-eds. Even though I heard lots of chatter about it from a variety of people back when Dino was fired (both from people working for Wake and donors), I don't think there was ever any smoking gun.

Smear campaign coordinated by Wake to get Dino out? Possibly - no concrete evidence though.
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sexual peccadillo rumors have been spread about Staak and Bones too, it seems pretty ridiculous that when Wake fires a coach these kinds of stories are spread about them

[Redacted] didn't have any such rumors spread about him, wonder why?
 
Anyone want to work a little math on 8 years of the Wellman Plan?

Since Dino was ousted,

1. How many guys have played basketball on scholarship at Wake?
2. How many guys stayed 4 years?
3. How many guys earned a degree (undergrad or grad) from Wake Forest regardless of when they arrived on campus?
 
outside of the lookout incident, were there ANY serious disciplinary incidents with the bball program under dino?

the CULTURE bullshit and bad seeds started under [Redacted]
 
buckets said:
outside of the lookout incident, were there ANY serious disciplinary incidents with the bball program under dino?

the CULTURE bullshit and bad seeds started under [Redacted]
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I mean, i can think of a bunch but I'm not sure they were in any way unique to Dino's tenure. There were incidents in just about every sport during the same time frame. We just take care of most of them internally.
 
Hard to take them seriously if they were only enough to get one coach fired and that’s it.
 
daaberry said:
I’m not sure if that is referring to me since I posted it, but I was being sarcastic. I’ve read it for 8 years now that he had to go “if you knew what really happened” & have always rolled my eyes. He could have fucked everyone & everything, but the Redacted hire can never be justified.
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:thumbsup:
 
daaberry said:
I’m not sure if that is referring to me since I posted it, but I was being sarcastic. I’ve read it for 8 years now that he had to go “if you knew what really happened” & have always rolled my eyes. He could have fucked everyone & everything, but the Redacted hire can never be justified.
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FYI, Jaybone explained yesterday on the Doral Moore thread that we should not use sarcasm on the boards. It confuses him and other posters. Please be considerate.
 
PhDeac said:
Hard to take them seriously if they were only enough to get one coach fired and that’s it.
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I'm not going to get into it, but more than one coach lost their job during that time period.
 
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