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2018 NBA Draft Thread - No Deacons Drafted

If they think he's likely to go in the high 50s or more, that is accurate. Yours is a silly post given how much the second half of the 2nd Round is random and difficult to predict. Those picks are likely to be traded or the players stashed.

My bad, using logic isn't good.
 
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Ayo said:
Was Wrangor not an assistant (head?) college coach? He's watched Crawford probably at least 10 times more than NBA scouts. You can read his evaluation a few posts above.

It's all good, though. We all know Crawford's your boy.
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WFUWaldo said:
This is an absurd statement.
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Why? Dude has played 3 years of games at the highest pre-NBA level. If he does something in a workout better than he did in games and you draft him on that, then you are likely making a mistake. If he doesn't do something as well in a workout than he did in games and you don't draft him because of that, then you are overemphasizing that deficiency. Either way, you are drafting him to play in games, not perform in workouts. Shockingly, games are going to be a better indicator of how he plays in games than workouts are.

Has there ever been a guy who improved his draft stock based solely on workouts relative to his game play who actually lived up to the increased expectations/pick? Those guys always crash and burn and end up being who we thought they were. If a guy isn't good in games then he is not going to magically become good in games simply because he did well in workouts.
 
Ayo said:
Was Wrangor not an assistant (head?) college coach? He's watched Crawford probably at least 10 times more than NBA scouts. You can read his evaluation a few posts above.

It's all good, though. We all know Crawford's your boy.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if (name redacted) is a n anonymous poster here?
 
vadimivich said:
The fact he is not an absolute dead lock for the #1 pick is insane already.
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It's like the worst teams in the league want to take one last shot at the NBA being a big man's league. An elite passer with great size who can play three position seems like a no-brainer. We know that kind of player can lead a team to championships in this league.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why? Dude has played 3 years of games at the highest pre-NBA level. If he does something in a workout better than he did in games and you draft him on that, then you are likely making a mistake. If he doesn't do something as well in a workout than he did in games and you don't draft him because of that, then you are overemphasizing that deficiency. Either way, you are drafting him to play in games, not perform in workouts. Shockingly, games are going to be a better indicator of how he plays in games than workouts are.

Has there ever been a guy who improved his draft stock based solely on workouts relative to his game play who actually lived up to the increased expectations/pick? Those guys always crash and burn and end up being who we thought they were. If a guy isn't good in games then he is not going to magically become good in games simply because he did well in workouts.
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Your question is incorrect. Private workouts are an allusion. What teams are really interested in is the interview/discussion and measureables that happen at NBA camps (they don't have the measureables if you didn't go).

You can be a flawed human being and still warrant a lottery pick in the hopes you will "grow up." Towards the end of the first and the entire 2nd round and FA draft picks, there a number of guys each year who overachieve per the college production and the interview is helpful in determining that. That is why in the post interview Q&A, Doral Moore sounded like a future inspiration speaker. He was coached for this. Whether or not it worked is yet to be determined.

This is also why a top 5 talent can plummet down the draft (see J.R. Smith).

Undrafted FAs and late 2nd round picks though have reason to be somewhat hopeful. There are always 2nd round picks and unsigned FAs who not only end up in the NBA, but play well enough to earn a big fat contract. Craig Ehlo was a 3rd round pick (today a FA). Mario Elie was a 7th round pick. Both guys earned a lot of money in their time in the league. And there are dozens of those guys over the years.

All that said, usually these guys played for programs that played far far away from the ACC/PAC10/SEC/Big10/Big East, which made judging their in game tape against inferior opponents tough to gauge. Not the case with Doral Moore who played most of his games against teams with future NBA players. Ditto for Craw. How they react/play against those guys is pretty much on tape.

My guess is that Craw sees himself as some sort of Donovan Mitchell. That is too bad because his ceiling is Marcus Smart. The fact that he doesn't see himself as that type of player would come out in an interview and likely scare all teams away not speaking Russian, Turkish or Hebrew.
 
PhDeac said:
It's like the worst teams in the league want to take one last shot at the NBA being a big man's league. An elite passer with great size who can play three position seems like a no-brainer. We know that kind of player can lead a team to championships in this league.
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And dominated the 2nd best league in the world as a 19 year old!!!!
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why? Dude has played 3 years of games at the highest pre-NBA level. If he does something in a workout better than he did in games and you draft him on that, then you are likely making a mistake. If he doesn't do something as well in a workout than he did in games and you don't draft him because of that, then you are overemphasizing that deficiency. Either way, you are drafting him to play in games, not perform in workouts. Shockingly, games are going to be a better indicator of how he plays in games than workouts are.

Has there ever been a guy who improved his draft stock based solely on workouts relative to his game play who actually lived up to the increased expectations/pick? Those guys always crash and burn and end up being who we thought they were. If a guy isn't good in games then he is not going to magically become good in games simply because he did well in workouts.
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John Collins was draining 3's in workouts last year. He didn't take them in ACC play.
 
palmab03 said:
John Collins was draining 3's in workouts last year. He didn't take them in ACC play.
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Shooting range is one skill that is easily demonstrated in workouts. Making shots at range when unguarded or lightly guarded shows that you at least can make that shot. Whereas if you can't hit a three when unguarded it is highly unlikely that you will hit it when guarded.
 
Man, all these floated Kawhi trades are turrrrrrible. Tobias Harris and the 13th pick? They just got that and Avery Bradley for Blake Griffin's corpse. Jaylen Brown and a pick? Gimme Hayward who's locked up for 4 years and Brown. Kawhi is a top 5 guy.
 
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Moore and Crawford will get drafted into the army with Elvis before they even sniff the NBA
 
palmab03 said:
Man, all these floated Kawhi trades are turrrrrrible. Tobias Harris and the 13th pick? They just got that and Avery Bradley for Blake Griffin's corpse. Jaylen Brown and a pick? Gimme Hayward who's locked up for 4 years and Brown. Kawhi is a top 5 guy.
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I mean, with Kawhi you have a guy who either:

1) has a super mysterious injury that no one knows for sure how to fix and that he can’t play through
2) is willing to sit out the entire season with a fake or highly exaggerated injury in order to force a trade to the team he wants to play for

So that kinda limits the market
 
IAppreciateIt said:
wouldn’t call 16 points and 4 assists per game dominating
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It's a lower scoring league where players play fewer minutes. He was the MVP of the EuroLeague Final Four and led his Real Madrid team to victory in it. He's clearly the best player on clearly the best team in Europe. That's dominating, to me.

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