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    Then, the "immigration expert" was wrong. I went by his statement.

    Have a safe trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    I'm assuming, then, that you support an open border policy. Does this country have an official policy, approved by congress, whereby anyone can just show up at the border, claim they are seeking asylum from whatever entity for whatever reason....and walk into the country?
    No, that is absolutely not how applying for asylum works. I would suggest you read up on the 1951/1967 Convention on the Status of Refugees (which the US is signatory to) and then Section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) which explicitly lays out the USA definition of refugees eligible for asylum in compliance with the 1951/67 Convention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Then, the "immigration expert" was wrong. I went by his statement.

    Have a safe trip.
    Just based on numbers, sounds like he/she got Asylees and those with TPS switched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    Allowing 300,000 people into this country every year for self-proclaimed asylum reasons amounts to open borders.

    (It's still hard for me to believe that this is actually happening. If these numbers are accurate, though, that makes it that much easier to understand Trump's win two years ago. The people who are paying for all the Democrats' giveaway programs....the money of which comes from taking it away from one group of people that may not support the Democratic Party and giving it to other groups of people with the expectations that they will support the Democratic Party....have gotten completely fed up. That's how Trump won and Hillary lost an election that should have been impossible to lose. And that election came just in the nick of time. If Hillary & the Democrats had won, the country would most likely have gone past the point of any return. We were already perilously close to the brink. If Hillary & the Democrats had four years to buy some more votes, we would have had more people riding in the cart than we had paying to pull it. Then they could have just kept voting themselves more free stuff. Many posters on these boards don't appreciate this fact because they haven't yet reached the point in life where they have to pay for the Democrats' programs that they are supporting. When that day finally arrives, you will see many of them wondering how the hell they could have ever taken those positions. I know. I've walked in their shoes.)
    Can I take this as a formal admission that you are bkf? That's a lot to claim to know about a message board's posters after less than a week on here.

    By the way, undocumented immigrants probably contribute more to federal entitlement programs than they take out.

    http://econofact.org/do-undocumented...nment-benefits

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    Love the man handed a company after murdering his father in law is still pretending the majority of the board are young college students or Brasky, it wasn’t true when you were bkf and it’s not true now that you’re Swissbitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamThunderbolt View Post
    The numbers are off.

    The highest number of asylum cases was in FY16 and was just over 92,000

    Last year (FY17, Oct 2016-Sept 2017) the number fell to just under 80k, with just over 60,500 of those cases found to have a credible fear.

    Driving to DC now and my phone's about to die, can update some more (and give precise numbers) and speak to some of these things later tonight.
    So, RJ is once again throwing out shit when he has no idea what he is talking about. That's what I thought from the beginning. He does it on a regular basis. Of course, he will always find a way to blame someone else for it. He makes more claims without documenting his sources than any poster I have ever read. Just pulls shit out of his ass day after day. It's also interesting that a 65-year old man who has never had any children himself is such an expert on child welfare. Of course, that shouldn't be surprising because RJ is a self-professed expert on everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    So, RJ is once again throwing out shit when he has no idea what he is talking about. That's what I thought from the beginning. He does it on a regular basis. Of course, he will always find a way to blame someone else for it. He makes more claims without documenting his sources than any poster I have ever read. Just pulls shit out of his ass day after day. It's also interesting that a 65-year old man who has never had any children himself is such an expert on child welfare. Of course, that shouldn't be surprising because RJ is a self-professed expert on everything.
    Here's what Thunderbolt said, "Just based on numbers, sounds like he/she got Asylees and those with TPS switched."

    Personal attacks, nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Except these people haven't broken any law.

    I have figured out why Trump is doing this. Remember when he talked about how sexy his infant daughter was? Remember when he bragged about seeing and talking with naked 14 yo girls at his beauty pageant? Obviously, Trump has put cameras in the showers. POTUS is getting off watching naked little girls in jail.

    Anyone who supports these actions cannot call themselves Christians. Supporting destroying families and ruining the lives of innocent children clearly shows you have no real morals.
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    The picture of the that little girl should be used in 2020 against Trump.

    When Sessions goes to Congress about this, he should dress appropriately...in his robe and hood...
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    We can disagree on trade or Iran on North Korea or judges, but no person with any empathy, any morals, any faith can describe what Trump has chosen to do as anything other than evil. There is no justification.
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Just because I don't believe in the evil, Draconian, amoral policy of ripping infants from their parents doesn't mean I believe in open borders. Thus, your next question is moot.

    Trump has unilaterally changed the parental policy as well as the policy of every POTUS since Reagan about granting amnesty to those who come to our country with legitimate claims of asylum for violence in their homelands and spousal/family violence.

    Supporting Trump's policy, it is 100% his and Sessions' policy, to separate every child from parents who are legally asserting claims of asylum shows a total lack of empathy, a lack of humanity and a willingness to create more hatred of America.

    BTW, there is a LAW not a policy that anyone can show up at the border ports of entry, present themselves as an asylum seeker and then be investigated to see if they qualify to enter.
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    These policies, if continued, will likely create more MS-13, Zetas and La Eme gangbangers.

    She showed as little empathy and humanity as her boss does. She exudes evil.
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    First of all. presenting oneself for asylum doesn't mean all are granted entry. Next, even if it was that large a number it would equate to 1/10 of 1% of our population with many of them being children.

    So, in your world, following the letter of the law is equal to open borders.

    Got it!
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Then, the "immigration expert" was wrong. I went by his statement.

    Have a safe trip.
    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    Here's what Thunderbolt said, "Just based on numbers, sounds like he/she got Asylees and those with TPS switched."

    Personal attacks, nice...
    1) RJ, you are so full of shit that I don't even know where to start.

    2) You are a good one to bitch about personal attacks. You made a bunch of them in the last few pages on this thread.

    3) There is a simple way to clear up your wild asylum claim. You posted that "an immigration expert said that there were 303,000 people who crossed the southern border last year and only 46 were proven to be fraudulent." Unless you are just pulling that out of your ass, you had to have read it somewhere. What was the name of the expert? Post the documentation where he said that. You see, that's what you almost never do. You just say shit as if what you said was the gospel, without ever documenting your wild statements.

    4) Also, you said that "anyone can show up at border points of entry, present themselves as asylum seekers and be investigated to see if they qualify to enter." Is this what happened? Are you telling me that all 303,000 of those people were investigated to see if they qualified....or did most of them just enter without being investigated? That's where the problem comes. People are entering illegally without being investigated as to whether they qualify as asylum seekers, because I don't believe for a second that 303,000 got to the border and waited for an investigation to determine whether their claims were legitimate. Of course, the Liberal Media will jump all over this. Refer back to my post about why liberals are always angry. They don't care about the law and they see using children as a way to stir up liberal anger...with the hopes that they can get non-whites and millennials off their asses to vote in an off-year election. They tried their best to put Hillary in the White House. They rigged her nomination & rigged the election. Even had the FBI & Obama's Justice Department working on it for her. She spent many times the amount of money on the campaign that Trump spent. Plus, Trump himself often campaigned as though he was trying to help her win as well with one outrageous statement after another......and she still lost !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    1) RJ, you are so full of shit that I don't even know where to start.

    You are unquestionably and expert about being full of shit.

    2) You are a good one to bitch about personal attacks. You made a bunch of them in the last few pages on this thread.

    Attacking a public figure is not all like attacking a specific poster. But I do stand by my position that anyone who justifies or defends separating children from their parents in a foreign land is amoral and has no empathy

    3) There is a simple way to clear up your wild asylum claim. You posted that "an immigration expert said that there were 303,000 people who crossed the southern border last year and only 46 were proven to be fraudulent." Unless you are just pulling that out of your ass, you had to have read it somewhere. What was the name of the expert? Post the documentation where he said that. You see, that's what you almost never do. You just say shit as if what you said was the gospel, without ever documenting your wild statements.

    I saw a person interviewed on MSNBC stating that. Why would I make up bizarre numbers like that. As Thunderbolt posted, it looks like that person used numbers erroneously/.

    4) Also, you said that "anyone can show up at border points of entry, present themselves as asylum seekers and be investigated to see if they qualify to enter." Is this what happened? Are you telling me that all 303,000 of those people were investigated to see if they qualified....or did most of them just enter without being investigated? That's where the problem comes. People are entering illegally without being investigated as to whether they qualify as asylum seekers, because I don't believe for a second that 303,000 got to the border and waited for an investigation to determine whether their claims were legitimate. Of course, the Liberal Media will jump all over this. Refer back to my post about why liberals are always angry. They don't care about the law and they see using children as a way to stir up liberal anger...with the hopes that they can get non-whites and millennials off their asses to vote in an off-year election. They tried their best to put Hillary in the White House. They rigged her nomination & rigged the election. Even had the FBI working on it for her. She spent many times the amount of money on the campaign that Trump spent. Plus, Trump himself often campaigned as though he was trying to help her win as well with one outrageous statement after another......and she still lost !!!
    You are the person who has been "perpetually angry".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Bob would be disappointed to find out immigrants become naturalized citizens on a regular basis.
    Yea.

    And plenty of people who pay more taxes than his sad grouchy self are happy to be able to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJKarl View Post
    You are the person who has been "perpetually angry".
    You made the claim....but you cannot document your source. And you do it over & over & over.

    Here's a tip for you to use in the future: Don't make claims if you cannot document your source. And saying that you saw a person say it on MSNBC means nothing.

    Of course, seeing that the statement was wildly inaccurate and that you claim you heard on MSNBC is revealing in and of itself.

    ETA: Also, I didn't attack you. I just told the truth about you. Everything I said about you was 100% dead-on-balls accurate.
    Last edited by SwissChaletDeac; 06-18-2018 at 08:05 PM.

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    Glad you reposted that, as I would not otherwise have seen it.

    I will take that wager, too. Townie, you are on. If Wake goes 6-6 or better, I am gone forever. If they go 5-7 or worse, you are gone forever.


    Now, that’s a liar.
    I love mankind...it’s people I can’t stand!!

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    Love the man handed a company after murdering his father in law is still pretending the majority of the board are young college students or Brasky, it wasn’t true when you were bkf and it’s not true now that you’re Swissbitch.
    I haven't been posting on these boards for long, but I've been a reader since the 2004 presidential election, or bkf's "Screamin Howard Dean" days. His politics may have veered wildly over the years, but his posting style never changes. He regularly takes an extreme position (he used to be a Socialist, and bragged about it), dares anyone to disagree, and if someone does he launches into angry, foam at the mouth rants with lots of personal insults. A favorite target, whether he's a Socialist or Trumpite conservative, are younger people, who are worthless Millennials who didn't have to actually work like he did. My own opinion is that he's nothing but a troll who occasionally might make a serious post - a retiree with lots of free time on his hands, and there's not a whole to do in Randleman. Since he banned himself, or was banned, he's probably grown bored sitting in some beer joint in Randleman ranting to other customers, so it's back to the Tunnels for trolling entertainment. BKF's great mistake, which he'll rightly never live down, was in accidentally admitting, after years of bragging about his Horatio Alger, up by the bootstraps successful life story, that his success in life came from marrying well, and having his FIL leave him his company in his mid-twenties, thus setting him up for life, and later in getting his FIL's house to live in. Nice work, if you can marry into it.

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    Listen to Children Who’ve Just Been Separated From Their Parents at the Border

    ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing as an agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here.”

    by Ginger ThompsonJune 18, 3:51 p.m. EDT
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    The desperate sobbing of 10 Central American children, separated from their parents one day last week by immigration authorities at the border, makes for excruciating listening. Many of them sound like they’re crying so hard, they can barely breathe. They scream “Mami” and “Papá” over and over again, as if those are the only words they know.



    The baritone voice of a Border Patrol agent booms above the crying. “Well, we have an orchestra here,” he jokes. “What’s missing is a conductor.”

    Then a distraught but determined 6-year-old Salvadoran girl pleads repeatedly for someone to call her aunt. Just one call, she begs anyone who will listen. She says she’s memorized the phone number, and at one point, rattles it off to a consular representative. “My mommy says that I’ll go with my aunt,” she whimpers, “and that she’ll come to pick me up there as quickly as possible.”

    An audio recording obtained by ProPublica adds real-life sounds of suffering to a contentious policy debate that has so far been short on input from those with the most at stake: immigrant children. More than 2,300 of them have been separated from their parents since April, when the Trump administration launched its “zero tolerance” immigration policy, which calls for prosecuting all people who attempt to illegally enter the country and taking away the children they brought with them. More than 100 of those children are under the age of 4. The children are initially held in warehouses, tents or big box stores that have been converted into Border Patrol detention facilities.

    Get ProPublica’s Major Investigations by Email
    Condemnations of the policy have been swift and sharp, including from some of the administration’s most reliable supporters. It has united religious conservatives and immigrant rights activists, who have said that “zero tolerance” amounts to “zero humanity.” Democratic and Republican members of Congress spoke out against the administration’s enforcement efforts over the weekend. Former first lady Laura Bush called the administration’s practices “cruel” and “immoral,” and likened images of immigrant children being held in kennels to those that came out of Japanese internment camps during World War II. And the American Association of Pediatricians has said the practice of separating children from their parents can cause the children “irreparable harm.”

    Still, the administration had stood by it. President Donald Trump blames Democrats and says his administration is only enforcing laws already on the books, although that’s not true. There are no laws that require children to be separated from their parents, or that call for criminal prosecutions of all undocumented border crossers. Those practices were established by the Trump administration.

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions has cited passages from the Bible in an attempt to establish religious justification. On Monday, he defended it again saying it was a matter of rule of law, “We cannot and will not encourage people to bring children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws.” A Border Patrol spokesman echoed that thought in a written statement.

    In recent days, authorities on the border have begun allowing tightly controlled tours of the facilities that are meant to put a humane face on the policy. But cameras are heavily restricted. And the children being held are not allowed to speak to journalists.

    The audio obtained by ProPublica breaks that silence. It was recorded last week inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection detention facility. The person who made the recording asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation. That person gave the audio to Jennifer Harbury, a well-known civil rights attorney who has lived and worked for four decades in the Rio Grande Valley along the Texas border with Mexico. Harbury provided it to ProPublica. She said the person who recorded it was a client who “heard the children’s weeping and crying, and was devastated by it.”

    The person estimated that the children on the recording are between 4 and 10 years old. It appeared that they had been at the detention center for less than 24 hours, so their distress at having been separated from their parents was still raw. Consulate officials tried to comfort them with snacks and toys. But the children were inconsolable.

    The child who stood out the most was the 6-year-old Salvadoran girl with a phone number stuck in her head. At the end of the audio, a consular official offers to call the girl’s aunt. ProPublica dialed the number she recited in the audio, and spoke with the aunt about the call.

    “It was the hardest moment in my life,” she said. “Imagine getting a call from your 6-year-old niece. She’s crying and begging me to go get her. She says, ‘I promise I’ll behave, but please get me out of here. I’m all alone.’”

    The aunt said what made the call even more painful was that there was nothing she could do. She and her 9-year-old daughter are seeking asylum in the United States after immigrating here two years ago for the exact same reasons and on the exact same route as her sister and her niece. They are from a small town called Armenia, about an hour’s drive northwest of the Salvadoran capital, but well within reach of its crippling crime waves. She said gangs were everywhere in El Salvador: “They’re on the buses. They’re in the banks. They’re in schools. They’re in the police. There’s nowhere for normal people to feel safe.”

    She said her niece and sister set out for the United States over a month ago. They paid a smuggler $7,000 to guide them through Guatemala, and Mexico and across the border into the United States. Now, she said, all the risk and investment seem lost.

    The aunt said she worried that any attempt to intervene in her niece’s situation would put hers and her daughter’s asylum case at risk, particularly since the Trump administration overturned asylum protections for victims of gang and domestic violence. She said she’s managed to speak to her sister, who has been moved to an immigration detention facility near Port Isabel, Texas. And she keeps in touch with her niece, Alison Jimena Valencia Madrid, by telephone. Mother and daughter, however, have not been able to speak to one another.

    The aunt said that Alison has been moved out of the Border Patrol facility to a shelter where she has a real bed. But she said that authorities at the shelter have warned the girl that her mother, 29-year-old Cindy Madrid, might be deported without her.

    “I know she’s not an American citizen,” the aunt said of her niece. “But she’s a human being. She’s a child. How can they treat her this way?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissChaletDeac View Post
    You made the claim....but you cannot document your source. And you do it over & over & over.

    Here's a tip for you to use in the future: Don't make claims if you cannot document your source. And saying that you saw a person say it on MSNBC means nothing.

    Of course, seeing that the statement was wildly inaccurate and that you claim you heard on MSNBC is revealing in and of itself.

    ETA: Also, I didn't attack you. I just told the truth about you. Everything I said about you was 100% dead-on-balls accurate.
    "Just pulls shit out of his ass day after day. It's also interesting that a 65-year old man who has never had any children himself is such an expert on child welfare. Of course, that shouldn't be surprising because RJ is a self-professed expert on everything."

    Absolutely false...

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