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Doral Moore joining Washington Wizards summer league team

Also, something that would partly address the situation would be to simply allow players who go undrafted to return to school. What’s the harm in that?
 
421Deac said:
Also, something that would partly address the situation would be to simply allow players who go undrafted to return to school. What’s the harm in that?
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I thinking hiring an agent is more of a barrier to returning to school than going undrafted.
 
Dekin said:
I thinking hiring an agent is more of a barrier to returning to school than going undrafted.
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Baseball has a policy something like that. No agent and no signed contract = still eligible to play college baseball. That policy allows kids to be drafted and have the major league team offer a contract. If the offer isn't attractive enough, college is still an option.
 
Moore and Crawford will play in Europe if the NBA path doesn’t work out. Not much question there.
 
421Deac said:
Why? Take away my bias that, of course, I want our team to be the best it can be and losing Crawford and Moore hurts. No projection put them anywhere close to being drafted so, if they were leaving school early, they should have all but had a guarantee from a European team for a contract. As much as that is possible anyway. Maybe they do and are going through the NBA process to its completion first.

But it’s not bad advice for them to stay in school, secure a degree that will improve their quality of life if they are unable to earn a living through basketball and possibly have a senior season that could sneak them into a draft position.
You may disagree with the advice but there’s a sound rationale behind it.
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It has a valid rationale, not a sound one. I think you are vastly overestimating the value of a college degree and the difficulty of completing it five, ten, or fifteen years down the line. You are also overestimating the impact a good year next year would have on their chances of making money playing basketball.

Even if they came back and had a good year as the second and third options on a Sweet 16 team, their draft ceiling is still late second round. Basketball wise they are certainly better off pursuing their careers full time.

Given the short window they have to make money off of their greatest talent, and the relative ease of going back to finish their degree during the offseason or after their career, it’s bad advice to tell them to stay in school.

Until the NCAA changes their rules, I would advise any player with professional aspirations to stay 2 years at most.
 
421Deac said:
Also, something that would partly address the situation would be to simply allow players who go undrafted to return to school. What’s the harm in that?
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No harm. Which is why the NCAA will never do it.

The real answer, short of fairly compensating players, is just to remove all amateurism requirements. If you are enrolled in school full time working towards a degree and attending class you are eligible to play for the basketball team. Period. That’s the only requirement for players. The only thing schools are allowed to offer is a scholarship, schools caught trying to skirt that rule get the death penalty.
 
RChildress107 said:
It has a valid rationale, not a sound one. I think you are vastly overestimating the value of a college degree and the difficulty of completing it five, ten, or fifteen years down the line. You are also overestimating the impact a good year next year would have on their chances of making money playing basketball.

Even if they came back and had a good year as the second and third options on a Sweet 16 team, their draft ceiling is still late second round. Basketball wise they are certainly better off pursuing their careers full time.

Given the short window they have to make money off of their greatest talent, and the relative ease of going back to finish their degree during the offseason or after their career, it’s bad advice to tell them to stay in school.

Until the NCAA changes their rules, I would advise any player with professional aspirations to stay 2 years at most.
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Classic RC hot take. There are plenty of players who developed as juniors or seniors that wouldn't have sniffed being drafted if they left earlier.
 
All these threads are going to be so dead after Rchill is forced to leave the boards. Then again could just pull a bkf.
 
RChildress107 said:
No harm. Which is why the NCAA will never do it.

The real answer, short of fairly compensating players, is just to remove all amateurism requirements. If you are enrolled in school full time working towards a degree and attending class you are eligible to play for the basketball team. Period. That’s the only requirement for players. The only thing schools are allowed to offer is a scholarship, schools caught trying to skirt that rule get the death penalty.
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Moore & Crawford gambled & lost on the NBA front. That is on them. They apparently did not like school, the coaches, something. So be it. It is not the NCAA's fault--it was their decision. Schools & coaches need to know how to plan & recruit with 13 schollies available so they can't hold some out waiting on players who ant to play a game with the NBA draft. They have to get good information. There are only 60 spots available and tons of great talent out there from the U.S. and foreign players. The system is fine like it is until the NBA makes their changes on the age deal and puts in place their expanded farm system of the G-League, etc. SO until kids can go out of high school again or have to stay in school till after junior year [like baseball], they need to think before they make dumb moves like Moore did. One more year with Coach Manning would have put him in the NBA draft.
 
TheReff said:
Moore & Crawford gambled & lost on the NBA front. That is on them. They apparently did not like school, the coaches, something. So be it. It is not the NCAA's fault--it was their decision. Schools & coaches need to know how to plan & recruit with 13 schollies available so they can't hold some out waiting on players who ant to play a game with the NBA draft. They have to get good information. There are only 60 spots available and tons of great talent out there from the U.S. and foreign players. The system is fine like it is until the NBA makes their changes on the age deal and puts in place their expanded farm system of the G-League, etc. SO until kids can go out of high school again or have to stay in school till after junior year [like baseball], they need to think before they make dumb moves like Moore did. One more year with Coach Manning would have put him in the NBA draft.
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Moore and Crawford are both going to make > $0 this season against better competition (both in practice and during games) with no limits on their practice time or other commitments. Hard to see how that’s an L for them.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Moore and Crawford will play in Europe if the NBA path doesn’t work out. Not much question there.
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Where you play makes a massive difference in your income. In many countries, seasons and pay are short. Very few players make it back to the US from lower Euro leagues.
 
RJKarl said:
Where you play makes a massive difference in your income. In many countries, seasons and pay are short.
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So, what you're saying is that by leaving earlier, they maximize their opportunities for making as much $$ playing basketball as possible? Got it.
 
RJKarl said:
Where you play makes a massive difference in your income. In many countries, seasons and pay are short. Very few players make it back to the US from lower Euro leagues.
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Not immediately but Codi is on a summer league team after starting in Belgium and then moving to Russia.
 
RChildress107 said:
It has a valid rationale, not a sound one. I think you are vastly overestimating the value of a college degree and the difficulty of completing it five, ten, or fifteen years down the line. You are also overestimating the impact a good year next year would have on their chances of making money playing basketball.

Even if they came back and had a good year as the second and third options on a Sweet 16 team, their draft ceiling is still late second round. Basketball wise they are certainly better off pursuing their careers full time.

Given the short window they have to make money off of their greatest talent, and the relative ease of going back to finish their degree during the offseason or after their career, it’s bad advice to tell them to stay in school.

Until the NCAA changes their rules, I would advise any player with professional aspirations to stay 2 years at most.
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"That's just, like, your opinion, man", The Dude. Hard to prove either way - so many variables.

I think you are undervaluing a college degree from Wake Forest, and greatly underestimating the difficulty (and expense) of completing it later. I think you are over-estimating the loss of one year of professional basketball for these players. I could be overestimating the impact of a good year of college ball on their career - but, even if it doesn't make a huge difference, they would only lose one year and would gain the degree as a back-up. Plus, if they work hard during that year, there is no reason they couldn't continue to develop their skills - that is especially true for Moore. He is somewhat of a late bloomer and still on the upswing skill-wise - another year of work under Manning and he could make another leap.
 
RChildress107 said:
Moore and Crawford are both going to make > $0 this season against better competition (both in practice and during games) with no limits on their practice time or other commitments. Hard to see how that’s an L for them.
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The point is they could have done the same thing one year later and have a degree as back-up. That one year is really important when you are making NBA money and expect huge contracts on the back end of your career. When you are hoping to make $50k that first year with only dim hopes of making big money on the back end, losing that one year of income isn't quite as big a deal. IMO
 
The fact scooter thinks they HAVE to come back to Wake to finish a bachelor’s degree shows how far out of touch he is on this.
 
scooter84 said:
The point is they could have done the same thing one year later and have a degree as back-up. That one year is really important when you are making NBA money and expect huge contracts on the back end of your career. When you are hoping to make $50k that first year with only dim hopes of making big money on the back end, losing that one year of income isn't quite as big a deal. IMO
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$50K right out of school and getting to live abroad? Shit, I'd take that. That one year is important whether you're making NBA money or not. A basketball career has a far more finite time limit on it than other things.

You're still thinking of college degrees as if you're the college grad. College degrees aren't worth what they were worth when you graduated. The market is loaded with college degrees. Playing basketball, pocketing some savings and starting a business may be a far better path forward than getting a degree that really only "earns" you your first job out of school anyway. Plus, it sounds far more fun.
 
PhDeac said:
The fact scooter thinks they HAVE to come back to Wake to finish a bachelor’s degree shows how far out of touch he is on this.
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Unless you're competing for very specific jobs at accounting, investment, etc firms that recruit Wake degrees or trying to get into a graduate program, a Wake degree isn't really "worth" anything more in the job market at this point. It may be worth more to you personally, but it's not to your potential employer. It's not the 90's anymore.
 
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