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Central & South America: Trump Wanted to Conduct a Missile Strike on Mexico

I bet all those socialists in Venezuela can't wait to learn from Little Re(a)d Lubette how to help their country even more by imposing her Green New Deal. They must have been popping champagne corks as they read it.
 
I bet all those socialists in Venezuela can't wait to learn from Little Re(a)d Lubette how to help their country even more by imposing her Green New Deal. They must have been popping champagne corks as they read it.

Who cares about other countries? America First, right?
 
I don’t know there,Willie Whatabout..

So you don’t want to talk about Venezuela because deep down you don’t give a krap about actual Venezuela. I understand. The issue is a Loser and needs to get out of the headlines fast. But not so fast for those of us who had to read the regurgitated vominations from the New Yorker,Atl Monthly,NYT etcetera for these last 2 decades. 2 decades of unadulterated ass kissing and lionizing of this 2 headed regime. Meanwhile, others knew that this iteration of Venezuela was an *entirely oil dependent regime (and that was just fine for the Marxist Carbonistas - climate be damned!!). Analysts pointed to the shrinking farm system and government procurement of businesses and land and predicted that any calamity in the oil markets would be the kiss of death for a nation so lax in developing its own economy.

Venezuela is an example of eggs being in one basket.Now,they neither have eggs or a basket to even piss in.



Whatabout-about Obama when he invited 20 African leaders to the White House while each one of them had been charged previously with crimes against humanity?

I posed a serious question. The "dear leader" comment maybe distracted you but you have this apparent position that he can do no wrong and I'd suggest that there is something wrong, or at least weird about his differential response to two very similar events. I care about both countries. On a personal level I have friends from both. All my friends a fleeing Nicaragua. They've changed their names on Facebook to avoid Orteg's scrutiny. Evidence suggests that Ortega has brought in Cuban troops to suppress public protests. It's just as bad, if not worse than Venezuela, but we've nothing except a few paltry sanctions on Ortega personally. I just don't understand the logic of helping Venezuela and not Nicaragua. The only difference I see is oil.
 
I posed a serious question. The "dear leader" comment maybe distracted you but you have this apparent position that he can do no wrong and I'd suggest that there is something wrong, or at least weird about his differential response to two very similar events. I care about both countries. On a personal level I have friends from both. All my friends a fleeing Nicaragua. They've changed their names on Facebook to avoid Orteg's scrutiny. Evidence suggests that Ortega has brought in Cuban troops to suppress public protests. It's just as bad, if not worse than Venezuela, but we've nothing except a few paltry sanctions on Ortega personally. I just don't understand the logic of helping Venezuela and not Nicaragua. The only difference I see is oil.

why would anyone want to flee from socialism? must be a bunch of rubes, class enemies, if you will
 
Said someone who fled from capitalism.
 
why would anyone want to flee from socialism? must be a bunch of rubes, class enemies, if you will

They aren’t fleeing socialism, they are fleeing a kleptocracy with a dangerous and oppressive dictator.
 
No.We are hearing the voices of Venezuelans who are living with a dictator. The President did what the US does..what all of you complain about.The President took the lead on what is clearly a humanitarian crisis.

Lol.

On the other hand, Trump praises Kim Jong Un all the time. Certainly no humanitarian crisis going on there.
 
what's the difference?

I don’t really like resorting to person insults, but it’s hard when you’re so dumb:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy
A system of government where powerful people control the means of production and wealth and keep the wealth for them selves. Kleptocracy is a perversion of both democratic capitalist economies and socialist economies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
An economic and governance system where the people, generally, control the means of production collectively and wealth is distributed. To be successful socialism is dependent of democracy.

Anyway back to my question, why is Trump such a humanitarian towards the Venezuelan people and has barely batted an eye towards the Nicaraguans?
 
Right..which is the End of All Socialism

The data suggest that in practice you are correct, on the whole country scale, socialism tends towards totalitarianism. But at small scales it works just fine and we have yet to actually implement the system in a country with a strong democratic tradition.

Regardless it is completely irrelevant to the disparity in treatment of the Venezuelan revolution and the Nicaraguan one. Are you and sailor suggesting the Nicaraguans somehow deserve to be oppressed and murdered by their government because decades ago they chose to try and implement a socialist based economy? Even if I accept that, it still begs the question, why do the Venezuelans deserve our help?
 
I don’t really like resorting to person insults, but it’s hard when you’re so dumb:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy
A system of government where powerful people control the means of production and wealth and keep the wealth for them selves. Kleptocracy is a perversion of both democratic capitalist economies and socialist economies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
An economic and governance system where the people, generally, control the means of production collectively and wealth is distributed. To be successful socialism is dependent of democracy.

Anyway back to my question, why is Trump such a humanitarian towards the Venezuelan people and has barely batted an eye towards the Nicaraguans?

Well then, don't. You are just embarrassing yourself anyway.

You don't know very much about socialism, and you seem to understand little of the practice.
 
The data suggest that in practice you are correct, on the whole country scale, socialism tends towards totalitarianism. But at small scales it works just fine and we have yet to actually implement the system in a country with a strong democratic tradition.

Regardless it is completely irrelevant to the disparity in treatment of the Venezuelan revolution and the Nicaraguan one. Are you and sailor suggesting the Nicaraguans somehow deserve to be oppressed and murdered by their government because decades ago they chose to try and implement a socialist based economy? Even if I accept that, it still begs the question, why do the Venezuelans deserve our help?

birdman, your post is terrible. In your first sentence you contradict yourself about socialism not being a dictatorial kleptocracy. In the second sentence you state a complete historical falsehood. Marxian socialism displaced as the dominant form of socialism precisely the small scale socialism that you refer to, which was widely implemented in various Utopian socialist communities mostly in the United States during the nineteenth century. These communities inevitably failed or morphed into successful capitalist enterprises like Amana in Iowa or Oneida in New York. From the looks of things, you really have your work cut out for you if you wish to understand the history, theory, and practice of socialism
 
as far as Nicaragua is concerned, I have never suggested anything other than that socialism is not the cure for whatever ails Nicaragua, and that's true not just for that country but others as well
 
birdman, your post is terrible. In your first sentence you contradict yourself about socialism not being a dictatorial kleptocracy. In the second sentence you state a complete historical falsehood. Marxian socialism displaced as the dominant form of socialism precisely the small scale socialism that you refer to, which was widely implemented in various Utopian socialist communities mostly in the United States during the nineteenth century. These communities inevitably failed or morphed into successful capitalist enterprises like Amana in Iowa or Oneida in New York. From the looks of things, you really have your work cut out for you if you wish to understand the history, theory, and practice of socialism

You too. Were America the only country in the world you’d be correct, but it’s not. Here’s an example of relatively small scale and fairly successful socialist enterprise: Kibbutz’s are collectively owned societies with in Israel. Some have been quite successful and lasted for decades and they were apparently instrumental in establishing Israel. Initially they focused on agriculture but they’ve evolved to have to peruse other forms of economic output.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

But I tire of this conversation, I’m not a socialist. I’m not even sure I’m a democratic socialist, politically I just want environmental protection to be our highest priority. So what ever that makes me, I am. I won’t defend socialism here.

You’ve offered an excellent useless question to distract from my question about equitable application of the “humanitarian” standard that Trump is trying to apply in Venezuela. Probably because there is no answer and the US’ long history of saber rattling with Venezuela is more about oil than it is about human suffering.
 
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