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Maybe. I don’t buy this horseshoe bullshit in the first place.
What about THIS horseshoe???
Maybe. I don’t buy this horseshoe bullshit in the first place.
RJ, you are just speaking in platitudes. You can’t provide any proof that “this is the only way to get it done.”
Just look at the success of the Labour Party.
Donald Trump is president. No traditional political rules, real or imagined, exist anymore. So socialists should call themselves socialists and try to recruit people to be socialists by doing cool and radical shit. They should care about growth independently from the Democratic Party.
The goalposts keep moving around. Apparently everybody in this country leans economically left from that survey, even most Pubs, but even moderate Dems are center right.
Seems like alot of rationalization by progressives about how their positions are overwhelming supported even though they can't actually make this show up at the voting booth.
sure, but fracturing the left in the US would be devastating to its cause(s)
How have the goal posts moved? I think people were just trying to make a distinction between a political spectrum that currently exists in mainstream 2 party system, vs. a political spectrum that exists outside of the US. In one spectrum, Elizabeth Warren and [insert whoever is similar on the right] are on opposite ends. However, Warren still openly admits she is a capitalist. So on a different spectrum, her and the conservative party are closer than they are on the other political spectrum.
As to your second statement, I think the DSA movement is an acknowledgement that the democratic party has not successfully energized it's base to support progressive policies that people overwhelming support. You can hold an opinion that the best way to fight Trump and fascism is through the Democratic Party, but i don't think you can dismiss others' opinion that we should be skeptical of change through the party, and or seek out other ways to mobilize for change outside of electoral politics.
Show me how it has actually worked in the US.
We should never try anything new.
Other countries are totally irrelevant.
Are they? Political movements exist in isolation within their own borders?
Growing socialists and separating from Dems guarantees Republicans control Congress, the WH and more importantly the courts. You can whine all you want, but this is the reality. Even if you take as little as 10% from the Dems, you will turn this country radically to the right.
"you can whine all you want." fuck off. Republicans already have control of congress, WH and courts.
But you want it your way or you'll take your ball and go home.
cliche.
Hell, radical leftists who voted for Nader gave us W, the Iraq War, Alito, Gorsuch, Roberts and, most likely, Kavanaugh. But they were pure...
We can argue this until we are blue in the face. To my knowledge, you have no empirical evidence to support this.
you'd prefer a more direct approach to change, like syria or our own civil war
...Also, having a stated principle that you want to get rid of capitalism as primary goal will doom you in any western country. Capitalism in the US definitely needs fixing, but eliminating it (barring a total global meltdown or terrorist attack on the economic system) is not going to happen. A realistic position would be to modify it to support families and workers.
inflicting drone strikes on yemen is a lot different than taking up arms against conservative americans living next door for the right to not send drones to yemen
Then it is a good thing I am not advocating taking up arms against conservative americans. Is there any middle ground here between "disagreeing with the Democratic Party" and "wanting civil war?"
Also, I am not only talking about that kind of violence.
i don't understand how a non-incremental shift to DSA policies occurs when you dismantle the current left coalition in america's Two Party hegemony. im not trolling