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The Democratic Party Left Me Behind

sailordeac said:
I don't know why you want to wear a shoe if it does not fit

but, anyway, the potential realignment seems to be between elite and populist, and the pubs seem to have a leg up, but situation remains messy and up for grabs
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Based on who they call the “liberal elite” over half the country is “elite,” so even if pubs had the leg up you thought they did in that regard I’m not sure how much it would help.
 
Trump supporters think anyone who can form coherent opinions backed by logic and facts are "elites"
 
Can you use you're and your correctly? Elite.
 
Abolish ICE is a loser for Democrats. A big loser. Large majorities of Americans want a pathway to legal status for immigrants, especially dreamers, but large majorities also say a strong border is important to them. Democrats should not let themselves get painted as the "open borders" party which is exactly what every conservative op-ed is trying to do right now.
 
I think the writer of the piece referenced in the OP, Saritha Prabhu, is mistaken and confused. Not a coherent or accurate take.


However, I'd agree with the notion that Dems need to be careful to not merely reflexively oppose, and lie about, any and everything Pubs/Trump try to do now. That was the playbook for Pubs under Obama. It was effective but soulless and despicable.

So...Dems need to thoughtfully stand for what is good and right and just. Turns out, that will cause them to oppose the vast majority of Republican/Trump policies. Just do it cogently, thoughtfully, convincingly. And honestly. Please.
 
RChildress107 said:
Politicians from both parties have let down ordinary Americans for decades because one party’s entire platform is centered around preventing the other party from helping ordinary Americans while the latter party spends 90% of its time debating how to help ordinary Americans without offending any subset of Americans (including the 1%) and 10% of its time telling themselves that the term “ordinary” is offensive.

The last thing the Democratic Party needs to do is spend another 25 years waffling in wonkishness. They need to break hard left because:

1. The political spectrum needs readjusting (there’s a term escaping me right now to describe how putting extreme views into the public sphere leads to a redefinition of “extreme,” this shifting the range of “acceptable” views in the direction of that particular extreme).

2. That’s where the most popular policies on most issues are.

3. Given the hyper-partisan environment, turnout wins elections now more than ever. The enthusiasm and the potential turnout lies to the left, not the center.
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RChildress107 said:
Basically, but I was thinking of the Overton window. Named after Miles Overton, whose presence at Wake redefined the range of basketball talent and performance that was acceptable to Wake fans.
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Great posts.

Deacon923 said:
Abolish ICE is a loser for Democrats. A big loser. Large majorities of Americans want a pathway to legal status for immigrants, especially dreamers, but large majorities also say a strong border is important to them. Democrats should not let themselves get painted as the "open borders" party which is exactly what every conservative op-ed is trying to do right now.
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Disagree. ICE right now is basically the gestapo. ICE separates children from their parents. ICE abuses immigrants. Dem alternative won’t.
 
immigration in general is a losing cause for dems
 
Deacon923 said:
Abolish ICE is a loser for Democrats. A big loser. Large majorities of Americans want a pathway to legal status for immigrants, especially dreamers, but large majorities also say a strong border is important to them. Democrats should not let themselves get painted as the "open borders" party which is exactly what every conservative op-ed is trying to do right now.
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Like most democratic ideas it’s a good policy but a shitty slogan. Largely because people don’t understand the difference between INS, USCIS, CBP, USBP, and ICE.

People want a strong border to stop terrorism and provide some semblance of order to whatever our immigration system ends up being.

They don’t want an agency that started out with a counter-terrorism mission but is turning into a modern day gestapo.
 
Milhouse said:
immigration in general is a losing cause for dems
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Only because Dems don’t have a consistent, coherent immigration policy. “Whites only and treat everyone else like a non-human” might be morally reprehensible but at least people know where republicans stand.

For the time being, I think a message along the following lines is both morally right and will be a winner in November:

“Our immigration system is broken, both for American families and businesses as well as immigrants from all over the world seeking the freedom and prosperity that brought our ancestors to America. When I get to Washington I will work with anyone, regardless of party, to build a fair immigration system that makes America safer, stronger, and upholds the values this country was built on.

Building that system will take time, but I will act immediately to restore protections for Dreamers, prioritize removal of violent criminals, and redirect funding to border security that actually works. Most importantly, I will return America to its role as a leader on human rights and put an immediate stop to the human rights abuses of this administration on our southern border.”

It doesn’t solve the major immigration issues this country faces, but all of those proposals are very popular and relatively easy to implement in a short time span.
 
Dems should run on the following immigration points:

1. Stop inhumane practices at the border.

2. Reunite families.

3. Focus attention on MS-13 instead of deporting dads and detaining babies in the name of MS-13.

4. Simply immigration processes so everyone can understand it. People say they’re for legal immigration but few know what it is.

Democrats definitely need a unifying policy so Pubs can’t just paint them as for “open borders” (whatever that is).
 
What do you consider to be secure borders?
 
RChildress107 said:
Only because Dems don’t have a consistent, coherent immigration policy. “Whites only and treat everyone else like a non-human” might be morally reprehensible but at least people know where republicans stand.

For the time being, I think a message along the following lines is both morally right and will be a winner in November:

“Our immigration system is broken, both for American families and businesses as well as immigrants from all over the world seeking the freedom and prosperity that brought our ancestors to America. When I get to Washington I will work with anyone, regardless of party, to build a fair immigration system that makes America safer, stronger, and upholds the values this country was built on.

Building that system will take time, but I will act immediately to restore protections for Dreamers, prioritize removal of violent criminals, and redirect funding to border security that actually works. Most importantly, I will return America to its role as a leader on human rights and put an immediate stop to the human rights abuses of this administration on our southern border.”

It doesn’t solve the major immigration issues this country faces, but all of those proposals are very popular and relatively easy to implement in a short time span.
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The problem with that 4 sentence policy position is that it’s 3.5 sentences too long. When it can be distilled to a “Build the wall and make Mexico pay for it” parallel, you might have a winner.
 
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