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The Democratic Party Left Me Behind

The concern trolling stratagem from Republicans is worthless. The Republican party makes zero idealogical compromise to swing moderate Dems, they just energize their angry base with partisan fear mongering. Yet their rich campaign advice to Democrats is always "compromise"! Gtfoh
 
is this your argument for keeping the southern border as insecure as it is now?

congrats on being a human trafficking enabler

Increased border security has kept migrants from going back. Instead of going back and forth seasonally, they stayed here and started families.
 
Politicians from both parties have let down ordinary Americans for decades because one party’s entire platform is centered around preventing the other party from helping ordinary Americans while the latter party spends 90% of its time debating how to help ordinary Americans without offending any subset of Americans (including the 1%) and 10% of its time telling themselves that the term “ordinary” is offensive.

The last thing the Democratic Party needs to do is spend another 25 years waffling in wonkishness. They need to break hard left because:

1. The political spectrum needs readjusting (there’s a term escaping me right now to describe how putting extreme views into the public sphere leads to a redefinition of “extreme,” this shifting the range of “acceptable” views in the direction of that particular extreme).

2. That’s where the most popular policies on most issues are.

3. Given the hyper-partisan environment, turnout wins elections now more than ever. The enthusiasm and the potential turnout lies to the left, not the center.

Nassim Taleb has a take on normalization and The Dictatorship of the Small Minority

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-08/most-intolerant-wins-nassim-taleb-exposes-dictatorship-small-minority
 
Nassim Taleb has a take on normalization and The Dictatorship of the Small Minority

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-08/most-intolerant-wins-nassim-taleb-exposes-dictatorship-small-minority

well this is certainly sobering

...We can answer these points using the minority rule. Yes, an intolerant minority can control and destroy democracy. Actually, as we saw, it will eventually destroy our world.

So, we need to be more than intolerant with some intolerant minorities. It is not permissible to use “American values” or “Western principles” in treating intolerant Salafism (which denies other peoples’ right to have their own religion). The West is currently in the process of committing suicide.
 
Republicans really seem to believe that, under Obama and Bill Clinton, Democrats literally left our border with Mexico undefended and people just crossed willy-nilly all the time. And when these hordes of illegal immigrants arrived in the US, the Democrats immediately, somehow, signed them up as voters. Or at least that's the impression you get from Trumpites on social media, Fox News talking heads, etc.

Democrats really seem to believe that Bill Clinton didn't use the same hard line immigration policies as Trump, and openly triumphed in ramping up border arrests and deportations.
 
that's true, though the wheels for those policies and bad (and overtly political) decisions started long before Bill
 
Democrats really seem to believe that Bill Clinton didn't use the same hard line immigration policies as Trump, and openly triumphed in ramping up border arrests and deportations.

Link? I believe immigration policies were shit under Clinton (they were shit under Obama too) but hard to imagine the tactics being as harsh. I was 5 when Clinton took office so I honestly don’t know.
 
his law was the one that, among other things, largely authorized the further militarization of the border communities, shunting migrants out into the deserts
 
Democrats really seem to believe that Bill Clinton didn't use the same hard line immigration policies as Trump, and openly triumphed in ramping up border arrests and deportations.

ITT catamount rails on establishment Democrats.
 
ITT catamount rails on establishment Democrats.

Not railing against establishment Democrats at all. Just pointing out that this thread is about the Democratic Party leaving people behind. Clinton’s immigration platform is a clear example of how far left the party has gone, and its being pulled like a magnet by the toxicity of the small but incredibly vocal minority of extreme leftists like mdmh.

The same thing is happening in even a more disturbing way on the right, and it is destroying our political system.
 
No. People are seeing that centrism isn’t working to stop the hard right or to accomplish any real policy gains. They want actual ideas not a path to compromise with people who don’t plan to compromise.
 
No. People are seeing that centrism isn’t working to stop the hard right or to accomplish any real policy gains. They want actual ideas not a path to compromise with people who don’t plan to compromise.

Well that’s nonsense, the hard left is fueling the hard right and vise versa. Centrism is what is needed right now, the extremes are like puffs of oxegen blowing into the others fire.
 
Well that’s nonsense, the hard left is fueling the hard right and vise versa. Centrism is what is needed right now, the extremes are like puffs of oxegen blowing into the others fire.

Do you see the goals or desired outcomes of the far left and far right as equal, morally or substantively?
 
Well that’s nonsense, the hard left is fueling the hard right and vise versa. Centrism is what is needed right now, the extremes are like puffs of oxegen blowing into the others fire.

I understand that’s how things look from your perspective near the hard right. But that’s not how it is from the left.
 
Maybe that’s true in some sense now in 2018 but the 2010 midterm elections and Tea Party movement weren’t actually fueled by the far left, just a caricature of it.
 
The Tea Party "movement" was just astroturfed deregulatory libertarianism funded by the Kochs. Interestingly, this new grassroots wave of redistributive socialism isn't behind fueled by oligarchs Haim Saban or George Soros.
 
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