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The Democratic Party Left Me Behind

myDeaconmyhand said:
Does everything look and sound like hyperbole from up on your perch? I'm curious if you believe that any of our societies problems are serious enough for an extreme solution, where your hesitant foot dragging pragmatism ISNT the right response?
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Is there a hypothetical situation that would justify such radical revolution? Sure.

Does that really jibe with a country that has the highest median disposable income in the world? Not hardly.

You would think that since you talking about a bloody revolution on behalf of African Americans, that most would at least support the more extreme progressive candidates, but that hasn't and continues to not be the case around the country. Most still support the establishment candidates by and large.

Do I think rhetoric like yours is wholly out of touch with the reality in the US right now? Absolutely.
 
Advocating for the deaths and political imprisonment of conservative/Republican writers against Trump does not seem justified or helpful to any good cause.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Was there a better way forward than:
-Tent cities of homeless in every major city?
-Schizophrenics locked up in jail for lack of treatment
-A whole generation of Americans trapped in college debt who cant buy houses and wont have children?
-African Americans nationwide losing 75% of their wealth in 4 years?
-Cancer patients going bankrupt from medical bills?
-A las vegas hotel suing mass shooting victims to prevent them from suing first?
-Undercover police officers soliciting sex from prostitutes and then arresting them after sex?
-A cash bail system that keeps poor people with low level criminal charges in jail for years without a trial, while rich people accused of murder walk free


Yeah, I say bring on the gulags and guillotines for those "consistent political disagreements". Lets hash this shit out. Let moderate cons and dems figure out a market solution to climb out of a well.
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I never thought you would be in support of capital punishment and cruel and unusual punishment.
 
WFU71 said:
I never thought you would be in support of capital punishment and cruel and unusual punishment.
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there is a reason the left keeps eventually ending up with guillotines and gulags: when their unrestrained policies don't work, and they inevitably don't, the left must blame someone, after all, they believe that they, being the left, meant well and that their unchecked policies, which have repeatedly been proven to fail, cannot be wrong, so someone has to be made to pay in order to distract from the left's failure, and they have to keep marching toward the dystopia of their dreams because that is what gives the lefties' lives meaning and without it they have nothing

as Joseph Stalin would say, "Oops, it can't have been my mistake, so you die!"

the only way the policies advocted by the socialists can work is if they are only implemented in limited form and within the confines of a democratic and capitalist system, but then these policies are not socialism, they are just controlled expansions of the welfare state
 
ChrisL68 said:
Is there a hypothetical situation that would justify such radical revolution? Sure.

Does that really jibe with a country that has the highest median disposable income in the world? Not hardly.

You would think that since you talking about a bloody revolution on behalf of African Americans, that most would at least support the more extreme progressive candidates, but that hasn't and continues to not be the case around the country. Most still support the establishment candidates by and large.

Do I think rhetoric like yours is wholly out of touch with the reality in the US right now? Absolutely.
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Most support the more “extreme” progressive positions, especially economic ones, but Democrats haven’t been able to translate that into electoral success. There are a lot of reasons for that but the hesitancy of the party to fully embrace its progressive wing would appear to be one of them.

I don’t think we’re particularly close to Anne Hathaway “There’s a storm coming, Mr. Wayne” levels (and there are way more potential brown shirts in this country than red guards, more jackboots than Jacobins) but it’s not that hard to imagine a scenario where that changes rather rapidly.

To MDMH’s point (I think) I don’t think it is necessary or wise to wait until we are in such a scenario to move past what those in power consider to be pragmatic measures.
 
sailordeac said:
there is a reason the left keeps eventually ending up with guillotines and gulags: when their unrestrained policies don't work, and they inevitably don't, the left must blame someone, after all, they believe that they, being the left, meant well and that their unchecked policies, which have repeatedly been proven to fail, cannot be wrong, so someone has to be made to pay in order to distract from the left's failure, and they have to keep marching toward the dystopia of their dreams because that is what gives the lefties' lives meaning and without it they have nothing

as Joseph Stalin would say, "Oops, it can't have been my mistake, so you die!"

the only way the policies advocted by the socialists can work is if they are only implemented in limited form and within the confines of a democratic and capitalist system, but then these policies are not socialism, they are just controlled expansions of the welfare state
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Keep in mind this was written by a man who supports the torture of children simply because they’re not US citizens.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I suspect by then the left will have made some incremental gains. we should have universal health coverage.
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RChildress107 said:
Most support the more “extreme” progressive positions, especially economic ones, but Democrats haven’t been able to translate that into electoral success. There are a lot of reasons for that but the hesitancy of the party to fully embrace its progressive wing would appear to be one of them.

I don’t think we’re particularly close to Anne Hathaway “There’s a storm coming, Mr. Wayne” levels (and there are way more potential brown shirts in this country than red guards, more jackboots than Jacobins) but it’s not that hard to imagine a scenario where that changes rather rapidly.

To MDMH’s point (I think) I don’t think it is necessary or wise to wait until we are in such a scenario to move past what those in power consider to be pragmatic measures.
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...to gulags and guillotines?
 
sailordeac said:
there is a reason the left keeps eventually ending up with guillotines and gulags: when their unrestrained policies don't work, and they inevitably don't, the left must blame someone, after all, they believe that they, being the left, meant well and that their unchecked policies, which have repeatedly been proven to fail, cannot be wrong, so someone has to be made to pay in order to distract from the left's failure, and they have to keep marching toward the dystopia of their dreams because that is what gives the lefties' lives meaning and without it they have nothing

as Joseph Stalin would say, "Oops, it can't have been my mistake, so you die!"

the only way the policies advocted by the socialists can work is if they are only implemented in limited form and within the confines of a democratic and capitalist system, but then these policies are not socialism, they are just controlled expansions of the welfare state
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Which is all the left in this country have been fighting for the past 85 years. The right meanwhile, has been undermining those attempts at every turn (while proclaiming that the house they just knocked down was destined to fail) and hysterically claiming that the left was thisclose to engaging in its worst possible excess all while slowly creeping towards the worst possible excesses of the right.
 
RChildress107 said:
There’s certainly a vast middle ground between gulags and guillotines and current centrist policy proposals and political tactics.
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there is; but left unrestrained by capitalism and democracy the left, in it's never ending quest for equality, will end up with guillotenes and gulags

you can be sure that the left's dystopian quest for equality will of necessity obliterate hierachies of competence because, well, they also lead to some inequality

since equality will allow for no exceptions, that would be inequality, the hierarchy of competence for executioners will also be eliminated; so, we can look forward to the botched executions of anyone who does not goosestep in stride with the dictates of the left
 
RChildress107 said:
Which is all the left in this country have been fighting for the past 85 years. The right meanwhile, has been undermining those attempts at every turn (while proclaiming that the house they just knocked down was destined to fail) and hysterically claiming that the left was thisclose to engaging in its worst possible excess all while slowly creeping towards the worst possible excesses of the right.
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then why call it socialism, if you just want to expand the welfare state without nationalizing the means of production, transportation, finance and communication? and the only way the welfare state can work is if it is kept properly restrained by capitalism and democracy
 
sailordeac said:
then why call it socialism, if you just want to expand the welfare state without nationalizing the means of production, transportation, finance and communication? and the only way the welfare state can work is if it is kept properly restrained by capitalism and democracy
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The only way democracy can work in a capitalist country is it is kept properly restrained by government programs designed to level out opportunity.

sailor, please show where you’ve posted your stance on what’s going on in child detention centers.
 
sailordeac said:
there is; but left unrestrained by capitalism and democracy the left, in it's never ending quest for equality, will end up with guillotenes and gulags

you can be sure that the left's dystopian quest for equality will of necessity obliterate hierachies of competence because, well, they also lead to some inequality

since equality will allow for no exceptions, that would be inequality, the hierarchy of competence for executioners will also be eliminated; so, we can look forward to the botched executions of anyone who does not goosestep in stride with the dictates of the left
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No shit. But the left in America aren’t the ones trying to weaken the constraints of democracy and capitalism.

It doesn’t make much sense to argue whether Hitler or Stalin was worse. It does make sense to point out that one party has America much closer to the former than the latter.
 
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