They literally were traitors by the definition of the word.
Horse Shit
They literally were traitors by the definition of the word.
Traitor: "a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc."
So attempting to secede from the United States to form your own country and fighting a war against the United States does not constitute a betrayal of country? Right.
Really? What about monuments to Brigham Young, who as governor of Utah issued an extermination order for all Timpanogos in the Utah Valley, killing and capturing a few hundred of them?
What about monuments to Nathaniel Lyon, a Union general killed in the Civil War but who also led an attack killing roughly 100 Pomos in California?
What about all of the monuments to George Armstrong Custer, who is responsible for killing thousands of Native Americans?
What about monuments to FDR, who ordered the internment of oh just 100,000 Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor?
You don't find any of these monuments analogous in any way to confederate monuments? Should I keep going or stop? Now? Later? When?
I feel like we've (the boards as a whole) had this same argument over and over.
To whom were "all Confederate Soldiers and leaders" traitors? By the definition that you have cited (which I agree is a good vanilla definition of the word "traitor"), General George H. Thomas -- a Virginian who fought for the Union -- was a traitor. In remaining loyal to the United States, he betrayed his home, family and friends. On the flip side, in renouncing their loyalty to the United States, Confederates remained loyal to their homes, family and friends.
Under this same definition, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Nathanael Greene, Francis Marion, etc., etc. were all traitors. It is all a matter of the perspective or lens that you choose to look through. Was Benedict Arnold a traitor?
I feel like we've (the boards as a whole) had this same argument over and over.
To whom were "all Confederate Soldiers and leaders" traitors? By the definition that you have cited (which I agree is a good vanilla definition of the word "traitor"), General George H. Thomas -- a Virginian who fought for the Union -- was a traitor. In remaining loyal to the United States, he betrayed his home, family and friends. On the flip side, in renouncing their loyalty to the United States, Confederates remained loyal to their homes, family and friends.
Under this same definition, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Nathanael Greene, Francis Marion, etc., etc. were all traitors. It is all a matter of the perspective or lens that you choose to look through. Was Benedict Arnold a traitor?
They literally were traitors by the definition of the word.
I feel like we've (the boards as a whole) had this same argument over and over.
To whom were "all Confederate Soldiers and leaders" traitors? By the definition that you have cited (which I agree is a good vanilla definition of the word "traitor"), General George H. Thomas -- a Virginian who fought for the Union -- was a traitor. In remaining loyal to the United States, he betrayed his home, family and friends. On the flip side, in renouncing their loyalty to the United States, Confederates remained loyal to their homes, family and friends.
Under this same definition, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Nathanael Greene, Francis Marion, etc., etc. were all traitors. It is all a matter of the perspective or lens that you choose to look through. Was Benedict Arnold a traitor?
I feel like we've (the boards as a whole) had this same argument over and over.
To whom were "all Confederate Soldiers and leaders" traitors? By the definition that you have cited (which I agree is a good vanilla definition of the word "traitor"), General George H. Thomas -- a Virginian who fought for the Union -- was a traitor. In remaining loyal to the United States, he betrayed his home, family and friends. On the flip side, in renouncing their loyalty to the United States, Confederates remained loyal to their homes, family and friends.
Under this same definition, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Nathanael Greene, Francis Marion, etc., etc. were all traitors. It is all a matter of the perspective or lens that you choose to look through. Was Benedict Arnold a traitor?
The party of Lincoln defends the confederacy over 150 years after they lost an unjust war for slavery without a shred of shame.
The party of Lincoln defends the confederacy over 150 years after they lost an unjust war for slavery without a shred of shame.