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Down Goes Silent Sam

I post from my phone, so I take shortcuts sometimes, which can lead to ambiguity. I’m not saying all such statues purport to honor confederate dead. I’m saying that the ones that I referred to in my first post today — i.e., the ones that say they honor confederate dead — purport to honor confederate dead, not, as Ph suggested, confederate veterans.

The statues of Lee, Davis, etc., are, in my view, in a different category entirely, and many should probably be brought down

So, what’s the argument for maintaining the statues, even ones honoring the dead, on the grounds of a government building or public park v. A museum/battleground?
 
I post from my phone, so I take shortcuts sometimes, which can lead to ambiguity. I’m not saying all such statues purport to honor confederate dead. I’m saying that the ones that I referred to in my first post today — i.e., the ones that say they honor confederate dead — purport to honor confederate dead, not, as Ph suggested, confederate veterans.

The statues of Lee, Davis, etc., are, in my view, in a different category entirely, and many should probably be brought down

I’m not sure why the distinction between dead veterans and veterans is so important to you. They’re all dead now.

As far as “that’s life,” we as a society decide whether it is acceptable for life to celebrate slavery or freedom.
 
no the best argument is: they venerate traitors at best and scumbags who valued ownership of humans more than their lives at worst
 
I’ve never understood the position (political or otherwise) that simply because something exists in X form today that we should have a good reason in order to change it. “That’s the way it’s always been” is shit logic.
 
I’m sure there are white people in Charleston who will have hurt feelings about the Vesey statue and white people in Georgetown who will have hurt feelings about the Tubman statue. That’s life.

I get that you don’t view monuments memorializing a time period and governance denying the humanity of someone oppressive, but do you allow that opposition to these monuments, especially when inequality/discrimination/institutional racism still exist, might be about more than “hurt feelings" or simply being offended? That seems to unnecessarily minimize the experience of Black people in America. I think it also dismisses the weight memorials like these bear on a community. You may think I overstate that weight, but I hear many people in the Black community talking about statues, etc. as a constant reminder of the perception of them being less than, or living in a society that at its core, denigrates them.
 
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I’ve never understood the position (political or otherwise) that simply because something exists in X form today that we should have a good reason in order to change it. “That’s the way it’s always been” is shit logic.

yes, well, junebug is a conservative and somehow that means we stick with the status quo even in the face of reason and new information
 
I’ve never understood the position (political or otherwise) that simply because something exists in X form today that we should have a good reason in order to change it. “That’s the way it’s always been” is shit logic.

So how do you feel about (a) ADA accessibility and (b) viability determinations with respect to abortion?
 
And you’re saying it’s black people who have and should always have those hurt feelings.

Then be honest about racism.Be honest about the African Kings. Be honest about the 10 tribes in,say,South Africa..how they use speech patterns and physical/facial differences to discriminate against one another.

Talk about the current situation in South Africa
 
yes, well, junebug is a conservative and somehow that means we stick with the status quo even in the face of reason and new information

So what is your excuse as pertains the Socialism infecting the Democrat party?

You need more information than what your eyes can see in Venezuela?
 
So what is your excuse as pertains the Socialism infecting the Democrat party?

You need more information than what your eyes can see in Venezuela?

this thread is about traitors worshiping at the statues of a failed rebellion, not some bullshit country no one cares about
 
South Africa is rapidly descending into “Shit Hole” status.
 
Lectro is one of Pavlov's dogs.

Socialism? VENEZUELA!
Racism? WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT BLACK ON WHITE RACISM TOO?
Russian collusion? BENGHAZI, BRUCE OHR, EMAILS

Why watch Fox News or read any conservative media when you can get your one stop "news" and commentary from the comments section in Lectro's posts?
 
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