i think we're saying that the prosecution of minor acts of vandalism is not really contributing to the problem of mass incarceration
I hope I've explained why I think it is. I don't know if I understand the argument for why it is not.
i think we're saying that the prosecution of minor acts of vandalism is not really contributing to the problem of mass incarceration
i guess i'd have to see some evidence our prisons are packed full of protesters and vandalism acts that were political in nature
Well you could take the island of New York...So where should murderers go ?
So where should murderers go ?
My argument is that a belief in law and order policing contributes to mass incarceration. Whether you think prisons are full of jaywalkers or drug addicts or murderers, or any variety of crime along a spectrum, is, i think, beside the point. They are undoubtedly full. They are undoubtedly full of people who should not be in them.
CHICAGO !
I'll get back to unanswered questions later when I have time, but for those of you that might be familiar with Michelle Alexander and The New Jim Crow, she was a reformist when she wrote it, but now supports abolition. If you have read the New Jim Crow, or watched 13th, I would recommend at least familiarizing yourself with the concept of abolition. I don't bring up Alexander as an appeal to authority. You can certainly disagree with abolition. But just like a renewed interest in socialism, an interest in abolition of both police and prisons will at some point enter more main stream discussion.
been a pretty good lake shore summer here in chicago
Can you give us a definition of what you mean by “abolition”?
FTFY
Dramatic reform will become more main stream but not abolition.
Much of the articles I read about abolition have a focus on paying victims for the crimes they have endured. It's ironic for hardcore socialists to be so ingrained in capitalism for a solution. But please tell me how to pay a rape victim? The family of a murder victim?
Peter Salib talked on Vox about an arsonist paying 80% of his earnings to the owner of the building. Where does the money come from to feed, clothe, house, etc., those who lost their jobs in that building while an arsonist is on the streets? How can we be sure being free he won't burn down another building. Oh wait, there won't be any cops to catch him anyway.