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and yet you're denigrating his opinions, perspectives, and experiences in your engagement. Why?
Eh, just because i'm disputing his statements doesnt mean i'm denigrating them. He called me stupid for posting correlative racial voting data from a relevant newspaper research article. How should I respond to that?
 
Eh, just because i'm disputing his statements doesnt mean i'm denigrating them. He called me stupid for posting correlative racial voting data from a relevant newspaper research article. How should I respond to that?

I don't know, but calling each other stupid round-and-round while the world burns doesn't really strike me as that productive. Y'all do y'all, but you both seem better than that.
 
Check out this bleeding heart liberal over here!

Any way dude, I hope you have a deeper critique of my temperament than that, cause that's nothing.
It's not anything I've honestly put a lot of thought into.
 
I know its shocking that i don't give you more thought than lectro or sailor.
 
Glad you said that, so I don't have to.

Maybe you should think about not attacking everyone who doesn't follow you 100%.

Maybe you should work on issues that people agree with on and try to build from there rather than insulting people for not saluting everything you support.
 
Maybe we should make our arguments here as coherent and impersonal as possible.
 
Eh, just because i'm disputing his statements doesnt mean i'm denigrating them. He called me stupid for posting correlative racial voting data from a relevant newspaper research article. How should I respond to that?

That was only one of several reasons I questioned your intelligence.

That article was pretty horrible analysis. Even worse, it was horrible analysis to push a BFK-like "monolithic black vote" narrative. I had already seen it the day it came out. It was a joke. I was disappointed that you posted it.
 
That was only one of several reasons I questioned your intelligence.

That article was pretty horrible analysis. Even worse, it was horrible analysis to push a BFK-like "monolithic black vote" narrative. I had already seen it the day it came out. It was a joke. I was disappointed that you posted it.
All you have to counter it are anecdotes. It seems really important to you that people believe Gillum split the suburban vote, rather than winning on the strength of the black vote.
 
 
I didn’t counter it with anecdotes. I countered it by explaining to you why it was bad analysis. Again, Gillum won large metro areas. So did DeSantis. The same article could probably be written about DeSantis too.

I can post a map of Hillsborough County (Tampa) showing that the city and northern and southern suburbs went for Gillum and the rural area to the east went for Graham. But then you’ll say I don’t know what suburban means.

I could post the PPP poll showing that Gillum has plus approval among every race, gender, age group but you’ll say it doesn’t include education.

I haven’t see the facts that would convince you you’re wrong. I do know the analysis you rely on is poor analysis.
 
I didn’t counter it with anecdotes. I countered it by explaining to you why it was bad analysis. Again, Gillum won large metro areas. So did DeSantis. The same article could probably be written about DeSantis too.

I can post a map of Hillsborough County (Tampa) showing that the city and northern and southern suburbs went for Gillum and the rural area to the east went for Graham. But then you’ll say I don’t know what suburban means.

I could post the PPP poll showing that Gillum has plus approval among every race, gender, age group but you’ll say it doesn’t include education.

I haven’t see the facts that would convince you you’re wrong. I do know the analysis you rely on is poor analysis.
You're disputing every primary overview thats been written about Gillum, including the quotations from his own campaign. DeSantis won A LOT MORE areas than just "large metro areas" - he beat his opponent by 20%. The heaviest black populations in Florida made up the near totality of Gillums 34% win, of which he only won by 3%. It's very strange that you're discounting the importance of the black vote in Gillums victory, when his own campaign team explicitly stated they needed a large black turnout to win.

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...-to-boost-black-turnout-in-race-for-governor/

"...said spokesman Geoff Burgan
"I think the mayor's path to victory heavily involves African-American voters, young voters, people who have typically dropped off" in other gubernatorial races, he said. "If that were to increase in '18, I would say that's a good thing for the state of Florida; that's a good thing for our campaign.""

"Gillum's team says he can still claim the nomination — by shoring up turnout of the African-American vote. It's a strategy that has narrowly propelled other progressive candidates across the country to primary victories."
 
I'm not discounting anything, MDMH. I'm saying Gillum did well with black voters and white voters in metro areas.

Look, stop misrepresenting my words to make your arguments. I'm not even sure what your play is here.

Obviously, Gillum didn't win with only support from black people. They won by getting a larger share out than normal. The math just doesn't support your argument as evidenced by these quote from the article you posted:

"He cautioned that Gillum's outreach and appeal extends beyond those communities. Gillum has said his campaign path includes redder areas like the Villages and stops throughout the Panhandle. "Anyone who says that Andrew's campaign is only focusing on getting the black vote out is sadly mistaken," Jones said. "If you look at his supporters, the people who are behind them, a lot of them don't look like me."
 
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Obviously, Gillum didn't win with only support from black people. [/B]

Jesus Christ, who the hell said that ONLY black people voted for Gillum?? Shit man, I dont know where you're coming up with these nonsense responses, but I hope you get it figured out.

To make this easy, please re-quote where I said that "no white people voted for Gillum". Please.

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No, they're not. For one, they don't advocate for fascist political ideology. That's a pretty significant difference. This rhetoric is stupid, too.



I have gotten this sense. We're all molded by our relationship to class, occupation, etc. I think that you and Ph are probably a lot closer than you think that you are. Why focus on Ph when ChrisL and Shmoo have been and continue to say even less true generalizations about the "white working class" and the suburban white middle class?

Show me one post I have ever made referring to the "white working class". Thx in advance.
 
yes, I like how Strickland wants to stay "above it all" while taking unprovoked inaccurate potshots.
 
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Jesus Christ, who the hell said that ONLY black people voted for Gillum?? Shit man, I dont know where you're coming up with these nonsense responses, but I hope you get it figured out.

To make this easy, please re-quote where I said that "no white people voted for Gillum". Please.

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Then what are you disagreeing with me about? All I’ve been saying is that Gillum won with support from black voters and suburban voters. You’ve disagreed.
 
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