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The New Socialists

Then what are you disagreeing with me about? All I’ve been saying is that Gillum won with support from black voters and suburban voters. You’ve disagreed.
No. It started with this:

MDMH is full of stereotypes. Poor rural white people, suburban moms. That’s how you narrow the size of a tent and don’t get people to show up to vote for progressive candidates.



Really want for us to be allies, seems like we should be, but you continue with a shitty disengenious interpretation of my POV. Recognizing and fixing an inefficiency (or derilection) in the focus of the party IS NOT going to hurt turnout. Did Gillum's particular campaign change of focus hurt turnout in Florida? You know it didnt. I don't deserve your bad faith.

This whole fucking time you've just been arguing to death that Gillum actually didn't change the focus of his campaign. It's ridiculous. That's how fucking petty and argumentative you are sometimes. I say that Gillum changed the traditional Democratic campaign focus by trying to actively driveup the black vote, particularly black women, and you fucking grandstand for a 3 day weekend about it because you know a guy who canvassed for him, and you know a lot of suburbanites that voted for him. Somehow that refutes my simple point, which is supported in quotes from his own campaign staff.
 
No. It started with this:







This whole fucking time you've just been arguing to death that Gillum actually didn't change the focus of his campaign. It's ridiculous. That's how fucking petty and argumentative you are sometimes. I say that Gillum changed the traditional Democratic campaign focus by trying to actively driveup the black vote, particularly black women, and you fucking grandstand for a 3 day weekend about it because you know a guy who canvassed for him, and you know a lot of suburbanites that voted for him. Somehow that refutes my simple point, which is supported in quotes from his own campaign staff.

MDMH, where did I say Gillum didn’t try to increase black voters? Just find it.


And stop with that BKF-style “THE black vote” nonsense.
 
MDMH, this is where our argument started in earnest.

Gillum campaigned hard in suburbs. How do you think he won in the big metro areas of the state?

Not according to anything ive read on Gillums primary campaign strategy.

LOL. What did you read?

I’ll compare it with what I’ve read from people who actually campaigned for Gillum.

Well, every article that mentioned his focus on turning out poor and African American voters, particularly African American women, since he didnt believe that the voting base of either of his opponents would switch, but go off I guess, tell me about how Gillum won on the strength of the middle class.

[insert why not both? gif here]

But seriously, I barely know any white upper middle class “suburban” women who voted for Graham. They pretty much all went for Gillum.

I understand where you get your ideas from. Incredulous moderates write articles about getting black people to vote like Jane Goddell writing about primate mating rituals and progressives like you eat it up.

Gillum went all over urban and suburban areas of all the large metro areas in the state and made his case. Look up any of the video from his campaign. He was talking to upper class white ladies as much as if not more often than he was talking to black audiences in black neighborhoods.

I can’t think of anything more dumb than looking at the election results and thinking “that successful candidate must have just ignored the college educated white people in large metro areas who make up a very large part of the Democratic Party.”
 
Keep choosing MHB and MDMH as your BFFs on the board. It's so becoming.

I don’t have bffs on this board.

I have friends in real life, though.

I don’t know most of y’all. Those of y’all that I know or have met IRL are great, fwiw. I’m sure we’d get along in person, RJ.
 
MDMH, this is where our argument started in earnest.
It's where you started flailing and purposefully misconstruing my argument (white people didnt vote for Gillum?) and you're still flailing by chastising me about using a commonly accepted and understood voting bloc designation. Are you going to honestly say that Africans Americans aren't generally a unified voting bloc for AA Democrat candidates? As if there is something wrong with that? You can analyze it 1000 different ways, but you cant deny it happens, and it happened for Gillum. Thankfully. I mean, whats to deny? Gillum's not a huckster - people can intuit that he's legitimate.
 
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MDMH, I want you to specifically point out where I said black voters didn’t show up for Gillum and where you said white voters did.

All the posts are there just find them. This whole argument started because I claimed Gillum sought out support from urban and suburban voters in large metro areas. You claimed he only sought black voters. It’s right there. You can’t deny it. Quit gaslighting us.
 
All of this is irrelevant with Trump soaring toward 40% of the black vote.
 
MDMH, I want you to specifically point out where I said black voters didn’t show up for Gillum and where you said white voters did.

All the posts are there just find them. This whole argument started because I claimed Gillum sought out support from urban and suburban voters in large metro areas. You claimed he only sought black voters. It’s right there. You can’t deny it. Quit gaslighting us.

Bullshit. Time and time again you post bullshit. I never used the word "only". You accuse me of shit that you won't quote because you know its bullshit. I'm as stubborn as you, we can keep this freaking thread going forever.
 
All of this is irrelevant with Trump soaring toward 40% of the black vote.
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I think he won because he focused on the alien vote, outside the Goldilocks zone.
 
If it helps end this stupid argument, i'll admit it: A number of white suburban voters supported Andrew Gillum in the Florida primary, an undetermined number much much greater than zero.
 
Bullshit. Time and time again you post bullshit. I never used the word "only". You accuse me of shit that you won't quote because you know its bullshit. I'm as stubborn as you, we can keep this freaking thread going forever.

I never said only either. In fact, I specifically said both. Now you agree that it’s both. So what on earth are you disagreeing with me about all this time?

You need to fix your own problems. Either you don’t realize what people are saying or you don’t care as long as you can argue about it.
 
The New Socialism— Same as the Old

"The pigs and farmers return to their amiable card game, and the other animals creep away from the window. Soon the sounds of a quarrel draw them back to listen. Napoleon and Pilkington have played the ace of spades simultaneously, and each accuses the other of cheating.
The animals, watching through the window, realize with a start that, as they look around the room of the farmhouse, they can no longer distinguish which of the cardplayers are pigs and which are human beings."

Animal Farm
By George Orwell



The brilliancy of Orwell is often missed by many leftists who rationalize Animal Farm as a sort of allegorical critique of the excesses of Stalin.

But the novel is universal, not specific. It is about the excesses of all revolutionary socialists who in their quest for utopia inevitably end up creating a nightmare...


I also find it meaningful how the pigs take on human nature and ultimately become "as human", the undercover enemy within. The innocuous farmers are finally duped by the same scheming animals that tricked all the natural creatures and all that was once good on the farm is supplanted by an evil seed.

How do the pigs accomplish this feat?
By promising everything to everyone but reneging on their word at every victory and keeping all the spoils for themselves. Sound familiar? Those pigs have nothing on Democrats.
 
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