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The New Socialists

a much more likely scenario is that you do shit like feign ignorance on whether democratic socialism is socialism and then disappear when I earnestly respond. but ok.

not really.

you (and mDmh, to a lesser extent) are defensive that any person who asks about the DSA is doing so in bad faith. i read what you post/link and I don't post snarks about wanting to turn in to venezuela.

what i have asked is a coherent set of ideas; others have done a better job of it (tilt, for example) because they ask from a position with better knowledge of the issues.

asking you to explain things is not shitposting
 
You called me out, unprovoked, and then can't back up your false claim, and then get all personal again as your cowardly defense mechanism. I've been on these boards (and prior boards) longer than you have -- I think my political opinions are out there. Not sure where you stand, but I have seen a lot of shitposting from you lately.

Bernie Sanders supporters and third party voters are responsible for Trump winning, #resist, and Democratic Socialism is dumb.

Did it get it right?
 
not really.

you (and mDmh, to a lesser extent) are defensive that any person who asks about the DSA is doing so in bad faith. i read what you post/link and I don't post snarks about wanting to turn in to venezuela.

what i have asked is a coherent set of ideas; others have done a better job of it (tilt, for example) because they ask from a position with better knowledge of the issues.

asking you to explain things is not shitposting

Why are you inserting yourself into the argument? I have no issue with you or your posts. Asking for clarification isn’t shitposting. Shitposting is shitposting.

Posting “horseshoe theory” whenever you disagree with someone is shitposting.
 
Why are you inserting yourself into the argument? I have no issue with you or your posts. Asking for clarification isn’t shitposting. Shitposting is shitposting.

Posting “horseshoe theory” whenever you disagree with someone is shitposting.

He may have inserted into your beef with Shoo, but to be fair, he was engaging with me in good faith.
 
Why are you inserting yourself into the argument? I have no issue with you or your posts. Asking for clarification isn’t shitposting. Shitposting is shitposting.

Posting “horseshoe theory” whenever you disagree with someone is shitposting.

just wondering if i should categorize this as a shitpost, a troll or just an improper insertion (that's what she said)

or perhaps not as much of a student of political history as you think you are
 
Why are you inserting yourself into the argument? I have no issue with you or your posts. Asking for clarification isn’t shitposting. Shitposting is shitposting.

Posting “horseshoe theory” whenever you disagree with someone is shitposting.
Inserts himself into argument... Complains that others are inserting themselves into argument
 
I literally said on this thread, or the McCain thread (all the fucking threads are derailed these days), that I don't know your and Shoo's political stances because in my interactions with you both, you shitpost and troll about socialism without putting forth your own positions. So I'm just saying that Shoo's punt is no different than your perception of Strickland's.

I don't troll about socialism, I troll about you and MDMH being worthy replacements for BSF and BKF on these boards with your terrible posts. Give me a reasonable democratic socialist candidate like Bernie over a republican or southern democrat any day of the week. I'm not on board with the ultimate goal of ending capitalism, but am on board for Medicare for All, Fight for 15, BLM, eliminating ICE, etc. You and MDMH are hopefully not representative of the majority of people who consider themselves part of the DSA -- if so, that's a problem. Democratic socialists should be after a big tent and gradualism -- and I see a lot of litmus tests, whining about the resistance, and obviously take my ball and go home voting. A lot of alt-right, tea party shit. That needs to end.
 
Bernie Sanders supporters and third party voters are responsible for Trump winning, #resist, and Democratic Socialism is dumb.

Did it get it right?

Nope. Wrong on the second part and change the first to "Bernie Sanders voters, and Jill Stein voters, who didn't vote or voted for Trump because they are fucking morons are partly responsible for Trump winning". You can't get anything right.
 
That's a terrible opinion or a complete misunderstanding of Democratic Socialism.

You're right. The fewer people under the tent the better, and you should be able to just ram socialism through immediately with the small number of people you graciously allow under your tiny tent. Good plan, guys.

Pic of MDMH at his local DSA chapter meeting:

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You and MHB are acting EXACTLY like the fascists you allegedly oppose.

just wondering if i should categorize this as a shitpost, a troll or just an improper insertion (that's what she said)

"if you fall for the 'Democratic; part of the the DSA's propaganda you're definitely a rube"

There are many things that you can say about DSA. Calling it an un-Democratic organization is really not one of them. The organization makes decisions in ways that are about as close to direct democracy as they come. If your claim is that they don't fit within the liberal democratic political system that we abide by in the United States, then that's one thing. DSA is a Democratic organization.
 
You're right. The fewer people under the tent the better, and you should be able to just ram socialism through immediately with the small number of people you graciously allow under your tiny tent. Good plan, guys.

Pic of MDMH at his local DSA chapter meeting:

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A big tent is referring to ideology, not populace. You literally want the party to be onerous and unmanageable, because in your weak imagination that's the only way to win. "big tent politics" are just an excuse for moderates and political careerists to eschew any ideological identity - it's win at all cost Democrats pretending that their base is as agreeable and homogenous as the Republicans, when it isn't. A big tent Democrat party cant get anything done, and what little progressive legislation it does pass is so neutered and compromised that it's de-aspirational, and Republicans easily undo it.
 
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A big tent is referring to theology, not populace. You literally want the party to be onerous and unmanageable, because in your weak imagination that's the only way to win. "big tent politics" are just an excuse for moderates and political careerists to eschew any theological identity - it's win at all cost Democrats pretending that their base is as agreeable and homogenous as the Republicans, when it isn't. A big tent Democrat party cant get anything done, and what little progressive legislation it does pass is so neutered and compromised that it's de-aspirational, and Republicans easily undo it.

Jesus. You have to get your head out of your own ass man. I wasn't talking about a big tent democratic party, but whatever. You might want to get on the same page with your DSA brethren, who seem to pretty regularly refer to the pride in the "big tent" they are creating.
 
Jesus. You have to get your head out of your own ass man. I wasn't talking about a big tent democratic party, but whatever. You might want to get on the same page with your DSA brethren, who seem to pretty regularly refer to the pride in the "big tent" they are creating.
Again, a "big tent" is referring to a broad spectrum of political ideology - how in the hell would that make sense for the DSA? I know you're suspicious of any political movement that actually has an identity, but if you understood the purpose of the DSA, you would realize how stupid your advice is.
 
 
Re: big tent

To better illustrate how this might work in real life. I'm not gonna tell anyone they can't come to a DSA meeting and learn about democratic socialism, regardless of their past political affiliation. We have no litmus tests to join and you can come to meetings whether you are a dues paying member or not. We had 2 new people at a reading group the other day, and I didn't even ask them if they considered themselves socialists. But they came to learn about our local jail and its condition. I've met people that were just straight up racist conservatives 3-5 years ago. One person I met was a white supremacist, got the shit kicked out of them, then later that night ran into their attackers at a wafflehouse and they bought them food and talked to them, and they changed.

That to me is big tent practice. It's not the same thing as me arguing with RJ about what the actual fucking tenents of democratic socialism are. Or arguing that some dumb Vox article written by Elon Musk's best friend is not my vision for dem socialism. If arguing with people on a message board about policies, platforms, definitions of political terms, etc. is considered gatekeeping or narrowing the tent, then ok, I'm guilty.
 
Again, I think you and your DSA brethren need to get on the same page -- it seems you are already unmanageable

"Among leftists, the DSA is considered a "big-tent" organization. ..."
"a political home for people who share similar values (particularly those whom are part of Bernie Sanders' political revolution)."

Shoo you have to decide what context you're using, should it be a "big tent" among leftists? Or a "big tent" period? Because the DSA is already a broad coalition of leftists from AN-COMs to DEM-SOCs, and if you kept up with national DSA on twitter you would know how much bullshit that already entails.
 
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I'm asking because I don't know.

"As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people," says the group's website. "Our vision is of a society in which people have a real voice in the choices and relationships that affect the entirety of our lives."

Is acknowledging that capitalism won't fall tomorrow, and that we have to implement reforms to improve the conditions of people now, the same thing as "gradualism?"
 
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