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The New Socialists

Is taxing the bourgeoisie over a period of decades and using the revenues to buy controlling interests in all companies and turn those interests over to wage-earner funds (ie the workers) gradualism? Cause I'm for it.
 
"Among leftists, the DSA is considered a "big-tent" organization. ..."
"a political home for people who share similar values (particularly those whom are part of Bernie Sanders' political revolution)."

Shoo you have to decide what context you're using, should it be a "big tent" among leftists? Or a "big tent" period? Because the DSA is already a broad coalition of leftists from AN-COMs to DEM-SOCs, and if you kept up with national DSA on twitter you would know how much bullshit that already entails.

Stop being disingenuous -- I posted directly from the DSA own twitter and one of its chapters -- not just from "leftists". You said ""big tent" is referring to a broad spectrum of political ideology - how in the hell would that make sense for the DSA." And the DSA calls itself a "big tent" org. You don't know what it is.
 
Stop being disingenuous -- I posted directly from the DSA own twitter and one of its chapters -- not just from "leftists". You said ""big tent" is referring to a broad spectrum of political ideology - how in the hell would that make sense for the DSA." And the DSA calls itself a "big tent" org. You don't know what it is.

Do you think big tent means we welcome NED and Tom Perez?
 
Stop being disingenuous -- I posted directly from the DSA own twitter and one of its chapters -- not just from "leftists". You said ""big tent" is referring to a broad spectrum of political ideology - how in the hell would that make sense for the DSA." And the DSA calls itself a "big tent" org. You don't know what it is.
You're so full of it. The DSA does consider themselves a "big tent" organization, in the context of American leftist politics, which includes a definite delineation from establishment Democratic ideology. In the DSA, the ideological spectrum is generally regarding the belief in electoralism.

You and I both know that's not what the hell you were talking about, otherwise you would have known that your "advice" was redundant, considering that i'm actually a fairly conservative member of the DSA.
 
Do you think big tent means we welcome NED and Tom Perez?

Here's what I think big tent means for the DSA -- two quotes from earlier:

"But pinning down what the DSA believes in, precisely, or where the group is going has proven to be a difficult task. Since DSA is an ideologically big-tent organization and operates in a decentralized manner, outlook and strategy can vary dramatically from chapter to chapter. The organizational turmoil resulting from the mass influx of members and the paucity of public statements from DSA’s leadership only adds to the confusion. In trying to analyze DSA one is reminded of the parable of the blind and the elephant, in that different members in DSA often report starkly different experiences of the organization."

"Among leftists, the DSA is considered a "big-tent" organization. Decisions are made by topic-specific committees instead of through adherence to rigid ideology, which allows for a relatively wider range of opinion than other groups. The group also takes a more incremental approach to reining in free-market capitalism."

It sounds like your chapter would welcome them, an tell them what you rigidly believe in and why it is right. i think another chapter in Minnesota or Cleveland or Pawtucket might welcome them, listen to their approaches and ideas, and adopt some of them, and also have different priorities and approaches than your chapter. There might be some chapters that tell them to GTFO altogether. It sounds like big tent for the DSA stems from the decentralization of the organization.
 
"multi-tendency" is the more useful term to describe DSA. What it means is there's no litmus test over whether you think the Anarchists or Communists or Trots cost us the Spanish Civil War
 
ITT: DSA members demonstrate why left leaning Others feel wary of DSA
 
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Mdmh is one of the more conservative members.
Yes, if you were familiar with the DSA you would know that.

1. I don't think capitalism should be completely "abolished" or even that it could be.

2. I believe in electoralism

3. I believe that people with pro-life religious beliefs should be eligible for leadership positions within DSA (Elizabeth Bruenig), and politicians with pro life religious beliefs should be eligible for DSA endorsements (Heath Mello)

4. I believe 3rd party votes are currently harmful to socialist goals.
 
Mdmh is one of the more conservative members.

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ITT: DSA members demonstrate why left leaning Others feel wary of DSA

why though? this is exactly what is so frustrating with your posting style. I can't put my finger on any specific objection you have, so it seems like you are just shitposting like Stick demonstrated with your "if you believe that its democratic, you are a rube" quote.
 
Yes, if you were familiar with the DSA you would know that.

1. I don't think capitalism should be completely "abolished" or even that it could be.

2. I believe in electoralism

3. I believe that people with pro-life religious beliefs should be eligible for leadership positions within DSA (Elizabeth Bruenig), and politicians with pro life religious beliefs should be eligible for DSA endorsements (Heath Mello)

4. I believe 3rd party votes are currently harmful to socialist goals.

See I disagree with most of that. Big tent indeed.
 
Yes, if you were familiar with the DSA you would know that.

1. I don't think capitalism should be completely "abolished" or even that it could be.

2. I believe in electoralism

3. I believe that people with pro-life religious beliefs should be eligible for leadership positions within DSA (Elizabeth Bruenig), and politicians with pro life religious beliefs should be eligible for DSA endorsements (Heath Mello)

4. I believe 3rd party votes are currently harmful to socialist goals.

Why would being familiar with the DSA mean that anyone would know the 4 specific "conservative" beliefs you just posted? Are you that famous within the DSA?
 
Why would being familiar with the DSA mean that anyone would know the 4 specific "conservative" beliefs you just posted? Are you that famous within the DSA?

"I think [his] political opinions are out there." you just gotta find them, amirite?
 
Why would being familiar with the DSA mean that anyone would know the 4 specific "conservative" beliefs you just posted? Are you that famous within the DSA?
I'm one of the most frequent posters on the tunnels, any poster here familiar with the DSA AND my politics would realize that i'm on the more conservative/"normie" side of the DSA spectrum. You all think i'm a fucking communist just because I shit talk and argue with you all the time. An actual tankie wouldn't be caught dead in this bourgie-ass echo chamber.
 
why though? this is exactly what is so frustrating with your posting style. I can't put my finger on any specific objection you have, so it seems like you are just shitposting like Stick demonstrated with your "if you believe that its democratic, you are a rube" quote.

which candidate (and which vision) am i voting for? the MDMH "i don't hate capitalism but let's let religious nuts in office if they're socialist" or tuffalo's "blood on streets, all or nothing" version?
 
I could never get on board with #3. Sorry, MDMH, you are officially out of the DSA. Go join the Republican party, Wrangor.

Regardless of his position, it doesn't mean we also couldn't work on a med4all campaign that was about reproductive justice, or some other abortion rights campaign. Or that housing and healthcare are inextricably linked to women's health. I just happen to have gotten freaked out a little too much by Handmaid's Tale and I think that economic justice throughout the world is tied to a woman's right to decide what happens to her body.
 
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