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The New Socialists

The main issues with implementing this in 2018 in the US include:

1. Sweden is much smaller than the US. When they tried to start this, they had a population less than Los Angeles County. Their GDP was a tiny fraction of ours.
2. As stated in the article, they had a base of 70-80% of union members.
3. Changing our equity markets would take decades at least so as not to harm the middle-class people who have 401s, etc.

The article states the program would have to be "modified". It would have to be completely restructured not modified.

I'd like to see our tax code be changed to make dividends and capital gains (with some exceptions) be taxed as regular income with the money used for education and healthcare. We need to build unions up.
 
The main issues with implementing this in 2018 in the US include:

1. Sweden is much smaller than the US. When they tried to start this, they had a population less than Los Angeles County. Their GDP was a tiny fraction of ours.
2. As stated in the article, they had a base of 70-80% of union members.
3. Changing our equity markets would take decades at least so as not to harm the middle-class people who have 401s, etc.

The article states the program would have to be "modified". It would have to be completely restructured not modified.

I'd like to see our tax code be changed to make dividends and capital gains (with some exceptions) be taxed as regular income with the money used for education and healthcare. We need to build unions up.

Literally none of this has anything to do with Louis Gossett Jr's question about min wage policies (of which the Meidner solidarity wage is a type) causing the demise of unskilled workers.
 
I posted it to provide an example of thinking about minimum wage policies destroying certain business/employment models, not to say the United States of America in the year of our Lord 2018 is ready to implement the boldest socialist program in the history of the North Atlantic
 
there is some movement to get employers to pay for benefits like SNAP that employees rely on due to low wages

Bernie proposed legislation on companies with over 500 employees to carry the full freight of food stamps that their employees get
 
According to local papers, when WalMart opened in Huntington Beach, included in the hourly workers' employment packages were applications for MediCal and food stamps. There should be fines for big companies doing this. It should be illegal. It's definitely immoral.
 
Yeah I’m fine with a corporate tax dependent on the number of employees using government benefits and the tax reflecting the cost of those benefits plus penalty.
 
According to local papers, when WalMart opened in Huntington Beach, included in the hourly workers' employment packages were applications for MediCal and food stamps. There should be fines for big companies doing this. It should be illegal. It's definitely immoral.

The bottom line is that I think this is a feature and not a flaw of capitalism. I think history proves this out. I'm not an economist, but I think that recent economic theory (only read about ~70 pages of Piketty) would say that capitalism creates an economic environment that creates divergent inequality. I don't believe capitalism is capable of reforming itself.

Call me crazy all you want, but everything around me proves that it's entirely fucked, from mass incarceration to people begging for their life on gofundme to amazon emplyees sleeping in their car.) It's socialism or barbarism.
 
According to local papers, when WalMart opened in Huntington Beach, included in the hourly workers' employment packages were applications for MediCal and food stamps. There should be fines for big companies doing this. It should be illegal. It's definitely immoral.

The solidarity in wages policy had a number of beneficial impacts. First, by making wage demands the subject of central bargaining, it enabled unions to secure rising living standards without creating an inflationary spiral.

Secondly, it ensured that unproductive firms would not be able to stay afloat by underpaying their workers. This would lead to workers being made redundant, but this was considered a feature of the model — low productivity enterprises would be replaced by new jobs in more productive firms and industries through massive investments, active labor market policies, and an extensive welfare state to ensure nobody suffered significant hardship in the intervening period.

Pushing unproductive firms out of business is good!!!!
 
People that argue capitalism lifts all boats and that we have some semblance of an arc towards justice are just exposing their privilege.
 
Capitalism is definitely a tide that rises and falls and when it rises, it lifts all boats. But fewer and fewer people have boats.

So the question for economic justice is if the solution is to make sure everybody has a boat or to move society to dry land.
 
Pushing unproductive firms out of business is good!!!!

Sadly, they are very productive and harmful to employees at the same time.

I wish more cities would be like Inglewood who refused to allow WalMart to move in and use their normal tactics.
 
Capitalism is definitely a tide that rises and falls and when it rises, it lifts all boats. But fewer and fewer people have boats.

So the question for economic justice is if the solution is to make sure everybody has a boat or to move society to dry land.

Maybe Tuffalo Can correct me but the rise was just an economic anomaly after the world wars. We have been on a divergent path since.
 
Yeah I’m fine with a corporate tax dependent on the number of employees using government benefits and the tax reflecting the cost of those benefits plus penalty.

Yeah I’ve been on board with this for a long time. Maybe it’s a convoluted way of getting to a higher minimum wage but it would be a start.

Tuffalo it wouldn’t be seizing the means of production but do you see benefit in something like this?
 
The rich have been getting richer. That’s a rise.
 
That’s not lifting all boats though.

Not everybody has a boat. Keep up.

If you just read my posts, we could avoid these misunderstandings.
 
No, what was so hard to understand about my post? You choose to use some shitty analogy to complicate it. Whatever. I don’t care if it’s boats or some other inanimate object, capitalism functions in a way that intentionally sinks boats so that Betsy Devos can have 10 yachts.

The problem isn’t that we need to just give people boats (liberals would probably say education), we need to reject a system that operates this way.

Please stop with the “keep up” bullshit.
 
Capitalism is definitely a tide that rises and falls and when it rises, it lifts all boats. But fewer and fewer people have boats.

So the question for economic justice is if the solution is to make sure everybody has a boat or to move society to dry land.

I don't even know what's happening here
 
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