The New Socialists
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I’ve got a crazy idea. We have no idea who could get cancer and when. So if everyone chipped in some money, we could all make sure we can pay for treatment and care if our time comes. Actually, we could do this for all diseases. It may cost a little extra but what a relief to know we wouldn’t go broke because we get sick.
ImTheCaptain
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this is the correct answer
DeaconSig
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It always boils down to rectal cancer with Milhouse. Always.
WFcatamount22
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42% of people spend life assests = about 1K or less. Not Americas fault they bought organic cheeses instead of putting it into an investment account.
WFcatamount22
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I feel like we can agree with this. If we are going to have socialized medicine death panels need to be a thing, and that's not a bad thing.
Grandma doesn't need a hip replacement at 92 years old. She needs a fat doobie, or sick vape bro*, and a comfortable bed.
*Things that millennial's are doing that are ruining America.
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ImTheCaptain
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definitely sick vape rigs around. let's rip some cotton
Did you just make that number up?
If grandma was living independently, in good health, and ambulating well before the need for surgery (typically from a fall), she absolutely should have the hip replacement. Hip replacements go for around $40,000. A year in the assisted living center she'd go without surgery costs around $43,500. Nursing home care is even more expensive at $82,000+
ImTheCaptain
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at 92?
WFcatamount22
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Yes.
sailordeac
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basic and catastrophic healthcare for all, financed by some social security like automatic deduction from your paycheck, is inevitably coming, but it will involve considerable bureaucracy and waiting lists
if you want something better and with shorter waiting times, you'll have to buy additional private insurance
a two tiered system, if you will
if you want something better and with shorter waiting times, you'll have to buy additional private insurance
a two tiered system, if you will
Yep. Hip replacement is certainly a possibility, even at 92 (look it up). Besides, last time I checked, $40,000 is less than $43,500.
ImTheCaptain
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no i mean are those figures for nonagenarians or average surgery costs
This is part of the battleground in our future. Around 1990 I was a member of a Virginia state panel that was re-writing the regulations regarding assisted livings facilities. One of the other members was Virginia's Health Commissioner, C.M. (Kim) Buttery. He and I had several discussions about the U.K. health system vs the US system. He wasn't a fan of the UK system, due to the way the waiting lists were managed. One of his examples was that his father (late 70's?) needed cataract surgery, but would never get it do to his age, even though his dad was in otherwise good health.
edit: Kim Buttery was a British physician before relocating to the US.
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https://health.usnews.com/health-ne...5/04/08/getting-a-hip-replacement-in-your-90s
"For patients in the 90-plus group, hospital stays afterward were slightly longer – about a half-day more than for the youngest patients. Readmission rates were higher for the oldest group within the first three months...In the study, for complications such as infections, deep vein blood clots or lung embolisms, surgical risks were no higher for patients in their 90s."
https://health.costhelper.com/hip-replacement.html
"For patients without health insurance, a total hip replacement usually will cost between $31,839 and $44,816, with an average cost of $39,299"
myDeaconmyhand
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Jesus Christ. Your response to people draining their life savings on cancer treatment is "they should have invested"? What the fuck is wrong with you? Fucking sociopath.
I get the sense that you are down playing this or even mocking these people. I spent 25% of my liquid life savings when I was diagnosed with testicular cancer 7 years ago. I needed surgery and 4 months of chemo therapy and with my really good employer provided health insurance the co-pays quickly added up. Each IV bag of medication cost about $3000 and I needed about 40 bags spread over 4 months and I co-paid some percentage on every single one till I hit the individual out of pocket annual maximum. Thank goodness I'd landed my job a year before the diagnosis came.