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The New Socialists

DeacinAfrica said:
The above quote is very good IMO. I think I represent a large percentage of Republicans, at least in the Christian World View camp. We cannot stand most of what President Trump says. We like some things he does. But there is no other option. I wish there were 4-5 strong political parties, because we can't vote for any Democrat. Infanticide is repulsive (I am not trying to start a debate here, just stating reality from our World View); any form of socialism does not help people, poor or rich (again, you may disagree, which is fine, but this is the position of most of us); we love people, but don't try to force us to support things we think are morally wrong. We will never support these positions which the Democratic Party seems to have taken. This leave us with President Trump. Unless something changes, we will hold our nose and try not to vomit as we vote for Trump.
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Sorry as a former Republican myself, I’m not buying this POV.

If you really dislike Trump as much as you say you do, then why not speak out against him, support one of the three Republicans running against Trump in the primary and then encourage your Republican peers to do the same?
 
The fact DeacInAfrica hasn't responded makes it look like he's a plant or a troll.
 
I hope all the socialist hating and union hating Republicans have a great day at work today.
 
BarcaDeac said:
And the Army-Navy game
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I am extremely curious with this one. With his shift from commie bastard, to hard right asshole did his take on the game change. Part of me thinks every minute of the Army-Navy game was played at the pineapple household this year.

Also MHBD will become pineapple in around 20 years. Give or take. They’re so amazingly similar.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
I am extremely curious with this one. With his shift from commie bastard, to hard right asshole did his take on the game change. Part of me thinks every minute of the Army-Navy game was played at the pineapple household this year.

Also MHBD will become pineapple in around 20 years. Give or take. They’re so amazingly similar.
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Yeah it’s been probably the one I’m most curious about
 
I thought this was a pretty interesting piece from someone on the left. Touches on a number of things, but generally about the fundamental tensions between socialism, democracy, and the global economy. Pretty long, likely not interesting to most of you, so a standard tilt post.

https://thepointmag.com/politics/socialism-or-democracy/

It may seem that the trilemma would not affect a leftist government. A socialist would happily junk the nation-state, rewire globalization in favor of the people and keep democracy. But in practice, the left faces its own version of the paradox: it is impossible to have a democratically legitimated leftist government under global capitalism. People want leftist governments because they offer some minimal security and quality of life. Today, a government can be democratically legitimated, but non-left (as when Greece was forced to give up its leftist policies); and it can be left, but illegitimate (thus, perhaps, “leftist” Venezuela). But no state can escape global capitalism. And, thanks to globalization, any attempt to institute socialism would have the same effects as Greece’s attempt to escape debt peonage. Without the ability to offer security and quality of life, the socialist government would be delegitimated, and almost certainly get voted out. Some leftists are considering nationalism as an alternative to leftist globalism. They look on wistfully as right-wing populist governments legitimate themselves through xenophobia and knuckle-dragging varieties of religion. This is even more appealing during a time of global pandemic, when “they” come not just for our jobs, but laden with disease that will take our very lives. Nonetheless, socialism in one country has never worked, and cannot work, as long as the rest of the world is capitalist.
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Thanks to the clashes between democracy, socialism and neoliberal globalization, nobody can govern a nation-state as a socialist. But, thankfully, politics isn’t just about national elections and grand social systems. Socializing policies can be implemented without triggering the leftist’s trilemma, and socialists must keep pushing for those policies. Medicare For All might even encourage more, rather than less, investment in the U.S.; I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like for businesses to deal with this health care system. Student debt forgiveness would stimulate the economy far more effectively than quantitative easing, without triggering large-scale capitalist paranoia or asset bubbles. Socialist policies have already been put into place at the metropolitan level in exciting ways.

At a national level, it seems likely that we face a Trump/Biden election. I would much have preferred a President Sanders. That would have made the United States, and the world, a better place. But if he had won, I wouldn’t have been disappointed when he turned out to be a kinder, gentler, less successful LBJ, because he could not have been a socialist president.
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DSA passed this resolution at its convention:

Resolved

Be it therefore resolved, the Democratic Socialists of America will not endorse another Democratic Party presidential candidate should Bernie Sanders not prevail
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People upset about this don't seem to understand what "endorsement" means.
 
Looks like Bernie or Bust to me.
 
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