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Official 2018-2019 Charlotte Hornets Thread - Lose Kemba and All Fans

So Kemba apparently had 4 kids in the Big Brothers/Big Sisters program.

Jeremy Lamb had 20.
 
I'm actually happy for Kemba. Gets to get out of this miserable franchise and go to a winner and he will fit perfectly there. By all accounts, Kemba is a great guy. Hope he gets at least one ring there. Dude is a gamer.
 
Hell no. My rep called me back yesterday and said they can't formally do anything until contracts become official on the 6th, but I told him there is no way I am financially supporting these moves if ownership cannot make decent financial decisions. They won't pay Kemba a supermax of $45 mi/year but they'll pay the Batum/Rozier combo a combined $45 mil/year? Fuck that shit, Kemba is worth three times what those two clowns bring together to the table.

It will be interesting to see what failure to resign Kemba will cost the Hornets in lost ticket sales, etc.
 
I can't imagine attendance will be very good next year. This has to be probably the saddest roster in the league. At least all of the other franchises who would be expected to be at the bottom of the league next year have high draft picks or young players (Knicks, Suns, Cavs) that should be exciting. Hornets just lost the only player that any actual basketball fan would pay to see.
 
Cant argue with that.

Makes you wonder if the current power structure ofthe league is sustainable. there are maybe 10 championship caliber teams next year (although it's really half that number). The other 20 teams are playing for meaningless playoff berths in the guise of "building towards a championship run" or simply existing as fodder for the good teams. It's only a matter of time before Jordan hasto ask for improvements to the Spectrum Center and he's going to show up having accomplished absolutely nothing in the current arena. And the NBA helps perpetuate the competitive imbalance, through mid-level exceptions, top players taking less so they can offer other players enough to build a roster, anda luxury tax that apparently isn't high enough to deter management from blowing through the cap. Is it good for the league as a whole that the Lakers can have three players on their team who are better than any single player on half the teams in the league ? Draw your own conclusions, but I kind of doubt it.

Meh. A good front office who can draft well and make good trades and manage the cap can compete. A bad front office will fall short. The Warriors built through the draft. Their core players are the third PG taken in his draft, the SG taken between Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks, and a second rounder. The Raptors won without a lottery pick. The Bucks took a risk on a kid from Greece at #15.

The problem with the NBA isn’t the structure of the league. It’s the front office management. It’s always been the big problem. There are a few really good front offices and the rest are playing fantasy hoops, spreadsheet calculus, roll the ball out, or tanking for lottery picks.
 
Meh. A good front office who can draft well and make good trades and manage the cap can compete. A bad front office will fall short. The Warriors built through the draft. Their core players are the third PG taken in his draft, the SG taken between Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks, and a second rounder. The Raptors won without a lottery pick. The Bucks took a risk on a kid from Greece at #15.

The problem with the NBA isn’t the structure of the league. It’s the front office management. It’s always been the big problem. There are a few really good front offices and the rest are playing fantasy hoops, spreadsheet calculus, roll the ball out, or tanking for lottery picks.

I think both are true. But Biff is absolutely correct on some things. GS and even a Brooklyn are different because they have built through draft and wise smaller moves, while adding stars in FA. That’s how it should work. But Lebron has blown all of this up. Lakers shouldn’t be able to do what they are doing and MLE, room exception, and other cap nuances are helping them build super teams

The luxury tax isn’t enough. And lottery discourages building through draft because you don’t actually get rewarded for being bad. And the Superman hasn’t really helped either. Players are going where they want for less money

The NBA is mostly made up of small market teams. It needs to structure itself accordingly
 
Meh. A good front office who can draft well and make good trades and manage the cap can compete. A bad front office will fall short. The Warriors built through the draft. Their core players are the third PG taken in his draft, the SG taken between Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks, and a second rounder. The Raptors won without a lottery pick. The Bucks took a risk on a kid from Greece at #15.

The problem with the NBA isn’t the structure of the league. It’s the front office management. It’s always been the big problem. There are a few really good front offices and the rest are playing fantasy hoops, spreadsheet calculus, roll the ball out, or tanking for lottery picks.

I don't disagree with this in regards to front office management.

On the other hand the NFL has a much healthier league in terms of contending teams. There are maybe 6 franchises that are perennially bad. The rest of the teams have some hope starting most years.

The contending teams in the NBA are fewer due to how difficult it is to get competitive as a small market team. It is possible but you have to be exceptional as a front office like the Spurs and Warriors or a bit lucky like the Thunder.
 
Meh. A good front office who can draft well and make good trades and manage the cap can compete. A bad front office will fall short. The Warriors built through the draft. Their core players are the third PG taken in his draft, the SG taken between Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks, and a second rounder. The Raptors won without a lottery pick. The Bucks took a risk on a kid from Greece at #15.

The problem with the NBA isn’t the structure of the league. It’s the front office management. It’s always been the big problem. There are a few really good front offices and the rest are playing fantasy hoops, spreadsheet calculus, roll the ball out, or tanking for lottery picks.

But having three of the best players on the same team with players lining up to take less than market value for their services for a chance to get a ring, once they've made enough money elsewhere, is no problem ?
 
As an example LA could conceivably sign Kawhi, then sign a Boogie or Green (or both) with room exception and MLE. The NBA can’t stop players taking less money to win or play with friends, but if a team has no salary cap left, those players should have to choose vet min or elsewhere
 
And there's no doubt that MKG, Batum, and even Marvin Williams will be able to find roles on playoff teams as free agents after this upcoming miserable season, making half or a third of what they're making now. But they will have no interest in staying in Charlotte for that money because there won't be a bigtime player they can rely on to get them to the promised land. Meanwhile there are two playing for the Nets and two or three playing for the Lakers.

Ph, take me through the history of teams built around a #15 draft pick.
 
I also think at some point the league has to do something about almost two decades of the West being far stronger than East. It creates problems too
 
But having three of the best players on the same team with players lining up to take less than market value for their services for a chance to get a ring, once they've made enough money elsewhere, is no problem ?

Even if they get Kawhi, they've got three players who will maybe play 65 games each and a shit roster behind them. I don't think they'll get Kawhi and if not, I don't think they'll make the playoffs.

I don't disagree with this in regards to front office management.

On the other hand the NFL has a much healthier league in terms of contending teams. There are maybe 6 franchises that are perennially bad. The rest of the teams have some hope starting most years.

The contending teams in the NBA are fewer due to how difficult it is to get competitive as a small market team. It is possible but you have to be exceptional as a front office like the Spurs and Warriors or a bit lucky like the Thunder.

The NFL is splitting the pot with a whole lot more players who play a much shorter season. The equivalent of a "Big 3" would be a "Big 13" in the NFL. The only way to do something comparable to the NFL in the NBA would to be dramatically reduce the player share of the revenue.
 
As an example LA could conceivably sign Kawhi, then sign a Boogie or Green (or both) with room exception and MLE. The NBA can’t stop players taking less money to win or play with friends, but if a team has no salary cap left, those players should have to choose vet min or elsewhere

If Kawhi signs, they won't have any money other than MLE. Unless Boogie or Green is willing to play for the minimum, they won't be able to add both.
 
The NBA definitely demands some draft luck to compete, but I don't think overall it's that bad for small market teams. The San Antonio Spurs pretty much put that argument to bed. Golden State (#11), Miami (#17), and Cleveland (#20) have championships in the past ten years. The top five media market teams -- Knicks, Nets, Lakers, Clippers, and Bulls -- have only the Lakers that have even made a Finals in the last 15 years and the other four have only one conference finals appearance.

Smart ownership and GM moves still matter.

Let's not act like this is European soccer-level unequal.
 
San Antonio had two #1 picks on its team when it's run started and an anomoly who stayed put when he could have left for more exposure. Good job with Parker, Ginobili, and Kawhi as those were all gambles that paid off.
Miami is not a small market. It's the 7th largest metro area in the country and three times the size of Cleveland. I don't know what your numbers mean really, but if Golden State is #11, I wouldn't consider that a small market either.
Did Cleveland not somehow get lucky, first in the draft, and then that the best player of his generation decided to return to the team closest to his hometown ? I'll remind you that the Cavs had two overall #1 picks on their team when they won the championship and traded another one for Kevin Love. They suck now and will until the next Lebron or Daugherty (also a #1 pick) comes along. Does Cleveland have a great GM we don't know about ?
 
The numbers are rankings of the media market of teams.

I started out saying draft luck was a necessary component, but the point remains that there is much more to it than being in a large market. Nobody denies that there is a large market advantage, but it's also not true that small markets are hopeless.

If your goal really is parity, then the formula isn't hard: hard cap, no max contract, no draft. There will still be some residual advantage to large market teams due to exposure and endorsement opportunities, but that's never really gonna go away.
 
The numbers are rankings of the media market of teams.

I started out saying draft luck was a necessary component, but the point remains that there is much more to it than being in a large market. Nobody denies that there is a large market advantage, but it's also not true that small markets are hopeless.

If your goal really is parity, then the formula isn't hard: hard cap, no max contract, no draft. There will still be some residual advantage to large market teams due to exposure and endorsement opportunities, but that's never really gonna go away.

I think a hard cap, no max, and doing away with the lottery are landing spots. I doubt Players Association goes for that though
 
I think a hard cap, no max, and doing away with the lottery are landing spots. I doubt Players Association goes for that though

Hard caps are socialistic/communistic and anti-free market. They protect the incompetent. The Lakers, Bulls and Knicks had their cities and soft caps and haven't been competitive for years.

Hard caps also penalize fans. Why should fans be punished? They support the players who would forced to leave their teams if the put their team over the hard cap.

Why should a player who wants to stay in a city be forced to choose less money or leaving the place he and his family want to stay?

Hard caps are un-Ameircan.
 
I love how amassing a fortune and capitalism are un-American on one thread, but the American Way on another, to the very same posters.
 
and if you're not going to max out kemba after the best season of his career, then you would have had to have known that you weren't going to max him this time last year

why not trade him for some value????????

Didn't his max contract value go up a lot when he made 3rd team All-NBA this year...and consequently cost Klay Thompson a lot of money?

That said, Jordan would have screwed it up anyway.
 
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