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Official 2018-2019 Charlotte Hornets Thread - Lose Kemba and All Fans

Didn't his max contract value go up a lot when he made 3rd team All-NBA this year...and consequently cost Klay Thompson a lot of money?

That said, Jordan would have screwed it up anyway.

His supermax grew, but Jordan could have offered a four or five year deal at the same numbers Kemba got in Boston. Given the fact that Jordan gave an unproven back-up (one playoff run doesn't make you a proven player) about $19M/year, paying Kemba Boston money would have made sense.

We don't know whether Kemba would have taken the extra year at that rate.
 
somehow the NFL remains the most popular league in America in spite of a socialistic/communistic hard cap
 
somehow the NFL remains the most popular league in America in spite of a socialistic/communistic hard cap

Mediocrity is celebrated by many.

Do you think the NFL would be as popular if they played 30 games/year plus playoffs? Scarcity is a great motivator for sales.

Hard caps are anti-worker and anti-fan.

Hard caps protect bad management.
 
bad management is bad management regardless

well run teams -- New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay -- are competitive and poorly run teams are not

I'm not even advocating for a hard cap with no max, I'm just saying it has it's positives related to competitiveness
 
Wow, those well-run NFL teams sure do happen to all have Hall of Fame quarterbacks ! What a coincidence !
 
bad management is bad management regardless

well run teams -- New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay -- are competitive and poorly run teams are not

I'm not even advocating for a hard cap with no max, I'm just saying it has it's positives related to competitiveness

A hard cap is totally unfair to excellent management and to fans as well to players. The Bird Rule is one of the reasons the NBA has growing popularity. No cap should bar teams from keeping players they have drafted and/or developed. You'll never convince me that forcing a team that has done a good job or player who wants to stay should be made to leave.

Also, the NFLPA is the weakest union in the world. It's outrageous that a player can be forced to cut his money but the owners aren't. It's outrageous a player's money isn't guaranteed but an owner's is.

Before you talk about football and injuries, make the contracts guaranteed for less time. The impact of having shorter contracts is more players will be available each year which will keep prices down.
 
yeah, all those starts staying with the teams that drafted them (or even had their Bird rights) like LeBron and AD and Kemba and Kyrie and Jimmy Butler and KD and Kawhi
 
yeah, all those starts staying with the teams that drafted them (or even had their Bird rights) like LeBron and AD and Kemba and Kyrie and Jimmy Butler and KD and Kawhi

So I can think of Dirk, Wade, Timmy, Westbrook and the splash bros. All but Westbrook have won a championship (which sure helps give you reason to stay). But those 5/6 are by far in the minority
 
The Rams wanted to keep their Greatest Show on Turf team together, the players wanted to stay, but the hard cap made them break up the team they drafted.

I wonder how many of you would like working for a hugely profitable company, whom you have helped grow profits, demand you take a 20% (or more) salary cut to stay working for them.
 
I don't agree with a player max. There should be a freer market.

A couple of teams would get screwed by paying too much, but that's on them.
 
I am internally struggling right now at the realization I’m a communist and very much un-American

I’ll try to make up for it on Independence Day with some burgers and brews
 
I don't agree with a player max. There should be a freer market.

A couple of teams would get screwed by paying too much, but that's on them.

So if you prefer no hard cap and no player max, then we get into situations where richer teams just sign all the best players. Right?
 
Tejas, should you be forced to leave your job because you are too good at it? Should competitor companies be able to tell your boss what he/she can pay you?

The NFL hasn't been a capitalistic company for decades. It's impossible for a team to lose money.
 
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So if you prefer no hard cap and no player max, then we get into situations where richer teams just sign all the best players. Right?

With no max, players would have to take less to play together.

I've never said no cap. I've said no hard cap.

Also, once the NBAPA puts a non-superstar as president and VP, it's likely they will back off the no max concept. The people most impacted by no max won't be the superstars. It would be the average and above average players making $8-20M. The market will drop for them.

You still haven't answered. Would it be fair for competitors to tell your boss he/she can't pay you what you want and what the boss is willing to pay? Would it be fair that after you have done an excellent job, created tremendous profits for your company for your boss to tell you that to stay you'd have to take a 20% (or more) pay cut to keep your job when you have a contract in place?
 
Didn't his max contract value go up a lot when he made 3rd team All-NBA this year...and consequently cost Klay Thompson a lot of money?

That said, Jordan would have screwed it up anyway.

Even without the supermax they had a lot of room above what Boston could offer him plus an extra year, and then they got the additional ability to go all the way up to the supermax. Yet reportedly they didn't even offer him what Boston offered him. We don't know how much of that is true and what they really offered, but they didn't come out and say no we actually offered him 5/$180, which I think is what most reasonable fans thought they would rationally offer. So yeah it looks like they screwed it up.
 
It will be interesting to see what failure to resign Kemba will cost the Hornets in lost ticket sales, etc.

It has to be a lot. Everybody around me was saying that if Kemba walked without an obvious plan in place then they were gone too. Assume the average lower level season ticket is $5k (some are a shit ton more, some are a little less but not a lot), losing 10K of them is $50 million, almost half the payroll. Obviously they aren't losing every one of them, but they make their money bc with the season tickets they make the same amount on a game against the Magic as they do the Lakers, and whether or not the person shows up. If the season ticket holders bail and they have to sell mostly single game tickets they will definitely feel the effects.
 
With no max, players would have to take less to play together.

I've never said no cap. I've said no hard cap.

Also, once the NBAPA puts a non-superstar as president and VP, it's likely they will back off the no max concept. The people most impacted by no max won't be the superstars. It would be the average and above average players making $8-20M. The market will drop for them.

You still haven't answered. Would it be fair for competitors to tell your boss he/she can't pay you what you want and what the boss is willing to pay? Would it be fair that after you have done an excellent job, created tremendous profits for your company for your boss to tell you that to stay you'd have to take a 20% (or more) pay cut to keep your job when you have a contract in place?

RJ first reading is hard. I said you said no hard cap

Second your analogy is terrible. Really really awful. As Juice already said we aren't talking free economy. We are talking running a sports league.

A company holds the right to tell my boss what he can and can't pay me even if we both a free on a different number. A company has a right to tell different division heads and managers what they can or cant spend on employees.

Either way, its a sports league. And we are talking about how to make parity.
 
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