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Mike Helms

RIP Mike Helms. He was my position coach at NCSU basketball camp (Jimmy V's first year), he had a big personality, a nice dude.
 
WFU1977 said:
I love Duncan and Randolph too but that team had some holes. Easy to double Tim because Scooter and Peral were not real threats. I missed the Stanford game that year as I was on a plane but as I recall Tim was manhandled and we had no answer. My point is which team had the best 5 man starting five man for man? For whatever reason, Odom could not surround Duncan with great players in the front court. We had a failed attempt at Twin Towers with the guy (Woods?) who left for AZ after one year.

In any case, very sad to hear of Mike Helms' passing.
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Peral was too 5 in the country in 3p% in 95. Scooter averaged 9/7/2.
 
Pilchard said:
The reason why NBA careers are relevant is that it shows the talent on the team (or the starting five) at that time. Not sure what "the best starting fives" even mean if you can't raise how each player did in later years at WF or later years as professionals.)
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David Thompson is the best ACC player I ever saw. I’m sure there are olds here who would agree with me. But if you have to take his NBA career into account, DT doesn’t even make the cut.

NBA careers have no bearing on how good players were in college.
 
Shorty said:
David Thompson is the best ACC player I ever saw. I’m sure there are olds here who would agree with me. But if you have to take his NBA career into account, DT doesn’t even make the cut.

NBA careers have no bearing on how good players were in college.
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Agree. I would add Len Bias. I vividly recall Bias whipping a very good UNC team in Chapel Hill essentially by himself. It was a man among boys.

Not sure the issues with Thompson in the NBA. I've read several articles on the topic. As for college... I would say easily one of the top 10 players in ACC history. And, I would add our very own Tim Duncan to that top 10 list who ALSO had a magnificent NBA career.
 
coredeac said:
Agree. I would add Len Bias. I vividly recall Bias whipping a very good UNC team in Chapel Hill essentially by himself. It was a man among boys.

Not sure the issues with Thompson in the NBA. I've read several articles on the topic. As for college... I would say easily one of the top 10 players in ACC history. And, I would add our very own Tim Duncan to that top 10 list who ALSO had a magnificent NBA career.
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David Thompson was one of the 10 best players in the league until the coke got him. He finished 2nd in scoring one year.
 
Peral shot over 50% from 3 that season. 3 other guys were over 40 and braswell (I think) was 39%. More than enough to not get doubled.
 
deaconson said:
Peral shot over 50% from 3 that season. 3 other guys were over 40 and braswell (I think) was 39%. More than enough to not get doubled.
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Shooting a bazillion threes a game was not yet the thing to do back then. Today that team would be much more devastating and probably shoot 40 threes a game.
 
The 1995 team had talent that would be good in the modern game. Scoring PG, shooters. Good spacing. Peral would be a stretch 4 and Duncan would just be great. The missing piece is a rangy wing.
 
coredeac said:
Agree. I would add Len Bias. I vividly recall Bias whipping a very good UNC team in Chapel Hill essentially by himself. It was a man among boys.

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There are any number of other guys who should be in the discussion for Top 10 ACC but weren't great pros - Laettner, Psycho T, Phil Ford, John Lucas all come to mind.
 
tagsfan said:
There are any number of other guys who should be in the discussion for Top 10 ACC but weren't great pros - Laettner, Psycho T, Phil Ford, John Lucas all come to mind.
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Lasttner is the best college player I have ever seen.

RIP Mike Helms - grew up watching him and he gave a talk at our school about the dangers of drugs.
 
Laettner played 15 years in the NBA, made an All-Star Team, and averaged 17 points a game over his first six seasons. I'll let you draw the line between good and great, but that's a better career than Hansbrough, Ford, and Lucas (who really liked to party).
 
And Bias is the greatest college player I've ever seen.
 
RChildress107 said:
Thankfully Rutland’s ACL was intact in 95. That lineup also had the most clutch player in Wake history and the greatest Power Forward of all time.

If you had to pick a starting five to put in a time machine and win you one basketball game, I can’t see how you don’t pick one with Tim Duncan on it.
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RC just loves to be wrong...Duncan was a CENTER in college so nice try. Rutland was a spot up shooter off the bench and didn't even start in '95 (Braswell). Love Scooter Banks but he was a defensive & dunk specialist. Two VERY special players on that team but '95 was hardly the best starting 5 in Wake history. 2009 was better talent wise across the board but they shit the bed down the stretch big time because, OH! whatta ya know?! They didn't know how to play defense, unlike the Odom-coached teams of the mid-90's. Yet you downplay Odom's coaching and the importance of defense on these boards ad nauseam.

Sorry to hear about Mike Helms, very sad...had no idea he had such a checkered post-college life.
 
deaconson said:
Peral shot over 50% from 3 that season. 3 other guys were over 40 and braswell (I think) was 39%. More than enough to not get doubled.
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Sure Peral could hit an outside shot but he couldn't rebound, block shots and was very one dimensional. He would just stand around the 3 point line and never played in the paint.
 
RJKarl said:
Monte Towe fucked David...
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Enough with the gay bashing. What 2 guys do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their business. Not sure how that affected his career either way.

Don't be such a homophobe, RJ.
 
In college David Thompson averaged 26.8 ppg; Bias 16.4; and Jordan 17.7

Thompson is by far the best college basketball player I have ever seen.

Bias was great.

Jordan is the best professional player I have ever seen.
 
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