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Trump's kowtowing to hate leads to synagogue shootings and more

RJKarl said:
Although this guy didn't think Trump was enough of a racist, Trump, his minions on Fox and other RW bigots have perpetrating the lies that there are "Middle Easterners" and other terrorists in the "caravan" which is blatantly and unapologetically racist as well as totally false. They are also lying to incite hatred of Jews by saying George Soros is finding the caravan.

Trump's repeated and constant use terms like "Nationalist" and "globalist" are unabashed, fog horns (not dog whistles) of anti-Semiticism. When talking about "globalists", Trump show pictures of Soros and other other Jews.

Sadly, there are millions of ignorant enablers like GTB and Tiger that give Trump's lies and hate a soft landing place.
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I did not and will not vote for Trump. I’ve said that his rhetoric is dangerous and ridiculously unpresidential.
 
tigerswood said:
I did not and will not vote for Trump. I’ve said that his rhetoric is dangerous and ridiculously unpresidential.
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But why is it dangerous? Is it because it has created and encouraged an environment that would lead to political violence on Trump’s behalf?
 
bym051d said:
Maybe relevant.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...trumps-behavior-encourages-white-supremacists
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Views of President Trump
Six in ten (60%) Americans hold an unfavorable opinion of President Donald Trump, including nearly half (47%) who say their opinion is very unfavorable. Only 35% of Americans have a favorable opinion of Trump, including 14% who say their opinion is very favorable.

More than eight in ten (82%) Republicans report having a favorable opinion of Trump, including over one-third (37%) who say they have a very favorable opinion of the president. By contrast, only 10% of Democrats view Trump favorably. Almost nine in ten (89%) Democrats have an unfavorable opinion of the president, including 79% who hold a very unfavorable view. More than six in ten (64%) political independents view the president unfavorably.

With the unique exception of white evangelical Protestants, majorities of all other major religious groups have an unfavorable opinion of Trump. Majorities of black Protestants (80%), religiously unaffiliated Americans (75%), Hispanic Catholics (74%), non-Christian religious Americans (73%), white mainline Protestants (52%), and white Catholics (52%) have a negative opinion of Trump. By contrast, almost seven in ten (68%) white evangelical Protestants have a favorable view of Trump, including 28% who have a very favorable view.
 
Are "Christian Rabbis" a thing that exists in real life or just Pence rallies?
 
Messianic Judaism - baby boomers invent their own strain of social cancer in the 60s and 70s
 
The families of the victims, the synagogue and the City of Pittsburgh should all sue Fox News, Hannity, Carlson and others for their lies about the "caravan" and who is in it and what the purpose of those people are.

The killer specifically mentioned the caravan as the last straw.

There's no question everyone in America has freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean we have freedom from responsibility. No one has the right to incite a riot. No one has the right to scream fire in a crowded theater. If you tell lies that lead to the harming of people and property, you bear responsibility.

Trump's lies about the caravan were a factor in this tragedy. For GTB or others to deny this is to deny the words of the killer. He specifically mentioned it.

My bad, even the perp confessing to the caravan stories being the last straw doesn't mean Trump should bear responsibility. No matter what he does, it's never his fault.
 
Milhouse said:
meh
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This (and wood’s) position baffles me. It’s basically been unanimous since his campaign that his rhetoric is considered dangerous. But when something happens that directly aligns with what that rhetoric promotes (and in the case of the bomber, directly from one of his cult members), we are now all of a sudden reluctant to put the blame on Trump and the GOP? Why is it so damn hard for Democrats and liberals to take the next step and call a spade a spade? Why are we so goddamn soft when it comes to calling them out? Their party’s entire platform is designed to rile up and anger Democrats, they have no issue with divisiveness. Call it like you see it.

Trump’s rhetoric has been, is, and will continue to be dangerous becaue it causes people to commit acts of violence such as the bombing attempts, racially motivated shootings, and pretty soon, violence towards immigrants seeking a better life. It is at least partially, if not wholly, Trump’s fault.
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
This (and wood’s) position baffles me. It’s basically been unanimous since his campaign that his rhetoric is considered dangerous. But when something happens that directly aligns with what that rhetoric promotes (and in the case of the bomber, directly from one of his cult members), we are now all of a sudden reluctant to put the blame on Trump and the GOP? Why is it so damn hard for Democrats and liberals to take the next step and call a spade a spade? Why are we so goddamn soft when it comes to calling them out? Their party’s entire platform is designed to rile up and anger Democrats, they have no issue with divisiveness. Call it like you see it.

Trump’s rhetoric has been, is, and will continue to be dangerous becaue it causes people to commit acts of violence such as the bombing attempts, racially motivated shootings, and pretty soon, violence towards immigrants seeking a better life. It is at least partially, if not wholly, Trump’s fault.
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Hate Is on the Ballot Next Week: Don’t let the whataboutists and bothsiders tell you it isn’t.

In America 2018, whataboutism is the last refuge of scoundrels, and bothsidesism is the last refuge of cowards.

In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re in the midst of a wave of hate crimes. Just in the past few days, bombs were mailed to a number of prominent Democrats, plus CNN. Then, a gunman massacred 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue. Meanwhile, another gunman killed two African-Americans at a Louisville supermarket, after first trying unsuccessfully to break into a black church — if he had gotten there an hour earlier, we would probably have had another mass murder.

All of these hate crimes seem clearly linked to the climate of paranoia and racism deliberately fostered by Donald Trump and his allies in Congress and the media.

Killing black people is an old American tradition, but it is experiencing a revival in the Trump era.

When the bombs were discovered, many on the right immediately claimed that they were fake news or a false flag operation by liberals. But the F.B.I. quickly tracked down the apparent source of the explosive devices: A fanatical Trump supporter, whom many are already calling the MAGABomber. His targets were people and a news organization Trump has attacked in many speeches. (Since the bombings, Trump has continued to attack the news media as the “enemy of the people.”)

The man arrested at the Tree of Life synagogue has been critical of Trump, who he apparently believes isn’t anti-Semitic enough. But his rage seems to have been fueled by a conspiracy theory being systematically spread by Trump supporters — the claim that Jewish financiers are bringing brown people into America to displace whites.

This conspiracy theory is, it turns out, a staple of neo-Nazis in Europe. It’s what our own neo-Nazis — whom Trump calls “very fine people” — were talking about in Charlottesville last year, when they chanted, “Jews will not replace us.”

It’s also the barely veiled subtext of the manufactured hysteria over the caravan of would-be migrants from Central America. The fearmongers aren’t just portraying a small group of frightened, hungry people still far from the United States border as a looming invasion. They have also been systematically implying that Jews are somehow behind the whole thing. There’s a straight line from Fox News coverage of the caravan to the Tree of Life massacre.

So how are Trump apologists dealing with this ugly picture? Partly through denial, pretending not to see any link between hateful rhetoric and hate crimes. But also through attempts to spread the blame by claiming that Democrats are just as bad if not worse. Trump supporters try to kill his critics? Well, some Trump opponents have yelled at politicians in restaurants!

This whataboutism doesn’t stop with equating protests with violence. It also relies on outright lying.

The day after the Pittsburgh massacre, John Cornyn — the second-ranked Republican in the Senate — tweeted “Pelosi: If There Is ‘Collateral Damage’ for Those Who Don’t Share Our View, ‘So Be It’.” This is a lie, plain and simple. I know, because I was there.

Nancy Pelosi’s remark about collateral damage came while I was interviewing her in front of a live audience; you can see the interview here. She wasn’t talking about punishing political opponents. She was, instead, talking about the economic impact of policies to fight climate change, which she conceded would adversely affect some industries even as it helped others. Many people have pointed this out to Cornyn; as I write this column, he has not retracted his false claim.

But here’s the thing: Trump supporters aren’t the only people trying to pretend that he’s only doing what everyone does, that Democrats are just as bad and equally liable for the explosion of hatred.

False equivalence, portraying the parties as symmetric even when they clearly aren’t, has long been the norm among self-proclaimed centrists and some influential media figures. It’s a stance that has hugely benefited the GOP, as it has increasingly become the party of right-wing extremists.

You might have thought that the horrifying events of recent days would finally break through that norm. But you would have been wrong. Bothsidesism is, it turns out, a fanatical cult impervious to evidence. Trump famously boasted that his supporters would stick with him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue; what he didn’t point out was that pundits would piously attribute the shooting to “incivility,” and that Sunday talk shows would feature Fifth-Avenue-shooting advocates and give them a respectful hearing.

This needs to stop, and those who keep practicing bothsidesism need to be shamed. At this point, pretending that both sides are equally to blame, or attributing political violence to spreading hatred without identifying who’s responsible for that spread, is a form of deep cowardice.

The fact is that one side of the political spectrum is peddling hatred, while the other isn’t. And refusing to point that out for fear of sounding partisan is, in effect, lending aid and comfort to the people poisoning our politics. Yes, hate is on the ballot next week.
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Trump going to Pittsburgh against the wishes of the families. First, his lies the caravan incite the killer and now he goes against the wishes of the victims' families.

What a pig!!!
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
This (and wood’s) position baffles me. It’s basically been unanimous since his campaign that his rhetoric is considered dangerous. But when something happens that directly aligns with what that rhetoric promotes (and in the case of the bomber, directly from one of his cult members), we are now all of a sudden reluctant to put the blame on Trump and the GOP? Why is it so damn hard for Democrats and liberals to take the next step and call a spade a spade? Why are we so goddamn soft when it comes to calling them out? Their party’s entire platform is designed to rile up and anger Democrats, they have no issue with divisiveness. Call it like you see it.

Trump’s rhetoric has been, is, and will continue to be dangerous becaue it causes people to commit acts of violence such as the bombing attempts, racially motivated shootings, and pretty soon, violence towards immigrants seeking a better life. It is at least partially, if not wholly, Trump’s fault.
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i was being sarcastic like always
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
This (and wood’s) position baffles me. It’s basically been unanimous since his campaign that his rhetoric is considered dangerous. But when something happens that directly aligns with what that rhetoric promotes (and in the case of the bomber, directly from one of his cult members), we are now all of a sudden reluctant to put the blame on Trump and the GOP? Why is it so damn hard for Democrats and liberals to take the next step and call a spade a spade? Why are we so goddamn soft when it comes to calling them out? Their party’s entire platform is designed to rile up and anger Democrats, they have no issue with divisiveness. Call it like you see it.

Trump’s rhetoric has been, is, and will continue to be dangerous becaue it causes people to commit acts of violence such as the bombing attempts, racially motivated shootings, and pretty soon, violence towards immigrants seeking a better life. It is at least partially, if not wholly, Trump’s fault.
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The media and Democrats go out of their way to be equal and unbiased without realizing that Republicans are going to call them biased no matters what.
 
WFFaithful said:
The media and Democrats go out of their way to be equal and unbiased without realizing that Republicans are going to call them biased no matters what.
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Exactly. And it turns of people who just want real talk.
 
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