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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Exactly. Beto is probably to the left of most Dem nominees over the last 40 years.

We literally had people who call themselves progressives defending people who voted for a Russian backed spoiler over Hillary.

That isn’t a credit to Dem nominees over the last 40 years.

I’m guessing y’all still haven’t read the article on his voting record. He’s a charismatic Clinton and he couldn’t even win Texas. Y’all sure do love your personality cults.

Participation trophies and moral victories ain’t gonna beat Donald Trump.
 
Seems like the left is right on schedule to cannibalize itself before the 2020 general.

Is debate and disagreement not allowed on a message board?

I’m sorry. I can’t keep track of the rules. Ph is going full Shoo tonight. You’re better than this, man.
 
Dude if you’re this worked up over Beto, it’s hard to imagine you voting for him in 22 months.

Why don’t we give candidates a chance to run for office, hell declare that they’re running?
 
Is debate and disagreement not allowed on a message board?

I’m sorry. I can’t keep track of the rules. Ph is going full Shoo tonight. You’re better than this, man.

Lol what rules? Support or don’t support whomever you want. Discuss whatever you please.

I’m just commenting on the general sense that I get that perfection will be the enemy of good once again for Dems in 2020.
 
His record reflects his district and his constituents. I suspect he'll look a little bit different on the national stage.

I'll try to read the article when I get as minute.
No, his record doesnt reflect his district and constituents. His district is one of the most liberal in Texas, and his voting record is less progressive than many other Texas Democrats.
 
Very excited for all of the Bernie Bros to be manipulated by Russians again in 2020. The most important part of American politics is not learning lessons.
 
How long until they’re calling Beto “Paul Ryan with a DUI?” Can they make it to New Years?
 
Dude if you’re this worked up over Beto, it’s hard to imagine you voting for him in 22 months.

Why don’t we give candidates a chance to run for office, hell declare that they’re running?

Who is not giving Beto a chance? Is bringing up the dude’s voting record off limits? You’re reaching here, man.

I’m not worked up over Beto O’Rourke. I don’t care about Beto O’Rourke. He won’t be the Democratic nominee for president. You know that, too, but are hellbent on picking a fight for some reason.
 
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Lol what rules? Support or don’t support whomever you want. Discuss whatever you please.

I’m just commenting on the general sense that I get that perfection will be the enemy of good once again for Dems in 2020.

Are y’all all Washington/DNC insiders?

From what I can tell, Ph has a weird Bernie thing and mdmh and I have dared questioned Beto’s credentials. Hell, even Creamy and Catamount dig this dude.

Y’all are weird. Sleep it off already.
 
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I suppose I don’t agree with some on the far left having benchmarks for ideological purity. There’s nothing wrong with saying that beto’s record is both short and centrist. But 1) he’s allowed to move left as the party moves left, and 2) the candidate that beats trump will need a lot more than populist policy to win. You need somebody that can raise a shit load of money and get inconsistent/non-voters off their ass and to the polls. A healthy, competitive primary is fine. But having disgruntled voters sit out again will be a disaster.
 
I think Bernie is a bad choice for President. And I don’t think Bernie has helped build up a national progressive bench. If Bernie is still the best Progressive candidate, he’s done a poor job. If Bernie is the only progressive candidate, he’s no better than Hillary.
 
I suppose I don’t agree with some on the far left having benchmarks for ideological purity. There’s nothing wrong with saying that beto’s record is both short and centrist. But 1) he’s allowed to move left as the party moves left, and 2) the candidate that beats trump will need a lot more than populist policy to win. You need somebody that can raise a shit load of money and get inconsistent/non-voters off their ass and to the polls. A healthy, competitive primary is fine. But having disgruntled voters sit out again will be a disaster.

I don’t disagree with any of this. Y’all are shadowboxing. I didn’t mean to rustle your jimmies so much by reasonably criticizing the man.

Except for the fact that a good candidate with a platform that people (not the DNC/insiders/cable pundits and not lobbyists) are excited by doesn’t produce disgruntled voters. See: Obama, Barack (2008).

It’s really not this hard, y’all.
 
I think Bernie is a bad choice for President. And I don’t think Bernie has helped build up a national progressive bench. If Bernie is still the best Progressive candidate, he’s done a poor job. If Bernie is the only progressive candidate, he’s no better than Hillary.

If you’re this worked up now, then I can’t imagine you voting for him in 22 months.

See how dumb that sounds to say to another adult? Again, you’re better than this.
 
So why do you think Bernie is that candidate? I need a full primary to decide who to vote for, not the last primary.
 
If you’re this worked up now, then I can’t imagine you voting for him in 22 months.

See how dumb that sounds to say to another adult? Again, you’re better than this.

Except I already voted for him in 2016.
 
So why do you think Bernie is that candidate? I need a full primary to decide who to vote for, not the last primary.

LOL, I missed this. You must have missed the post where I said that I preferred Kristen Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, and Sherrod Brown going into the primary.
 
Hell, Beto might not even run (though I think he will). Criticize away. What else can be expected for any primary candidate? But when he’s a “fraud” (you’ve addressed that - but I think a lot of progressives will earnestly maintain that view) because he’s not liberal enough - it just makes me wonder what will ever satisfy certain portions of the party/far left if their preferred candidates don’t win the primary.
 
Hell, Beto might not even run (though I think he will). Criticize away. What else can be expected for any primary candidate? But when he’s a “fraud” (you’ve addressed that - but I think a lot of progressives will earnestly maintain that view) because he’s not liberal enough - it just makes me wonder what will ever satisfy certain portions of the party/far left if their preferred candidates don’t win the primary.

You’re not even referring to progressives, though. You’re referring to the fairly small percentage of the Democratic Party affiliated with DSA or who are socialist-adjacent. When you (the figurative you) get off the internet and talk to people - e.g., volunteering/canvassing /phone banking for Democratic candidates - then you realize that the internet and cable news create crises out of nothing. If Democrats believe that the Democratic nominee is a good candidate, then Democrats will turn out to vote for them.
 
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