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Dude, that hurts. Do you really think Bernie is/was as racist as BKF?
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Bernie will be 79 on election day in 2020. Sorry, but that's too old at this point in history.
Whether you like it or not, having the word "socialist" as part of your political description will not fly nationally at this time. He will get totally abused in hardcore ads.
Bernie will be 79 on election day in 2020. Sorry, but that's too old at this point in history.
Whether you like it or not, having the word "socialist" as part of your political description will not fly nationally at this time. He will get totally abused in hardcore ads.
Dude, that hurts. Do you really think Bernie is/was as racist as BKF?
Ph, I apologize if i'm making you repeat arguments you've had with others, but i think it'd be a benefit to all of us and the discussion if you could expand a little more on your thoughts re: Bernie and race. The BKF thing is not helpful at all. And although I understand your perception of Bernie as weak on race issues, I don't understand it at all. It's even more confounding when candidates like Biden/Clinton, imo, have a much worse track record on race.
So if you don't see a problem with similarly aligned DSA types, then it doesn't seem to be so much of a criticism of his platform/policies. Then what actions/statements/other shape your opinion of him so negatively?
Yeah, I’m not a Bernie 2020 guy. He is just way too old. I want him to groom some younger talent and stump for them. Pick his own successor and help them win the primary.
And at risk of perpetually being seen as defender of all things Bernie, there is plenty to criticize, and I'm split on the question of whether my DSA chapter should endorse a Bernie campaign.
Wait for candidates to declare first. That’s ridiculous. This type of thing is what I’m afraid of. If Bernie declares and DSA chapters leap to endorse him, other Progressives will be hesistant to run.
Platform wise, Bernie doesn't have a "successor", though. You all are just saying you won't vote for him because he's too old - which is your right to do. It's just confusing when you say "Im not a Bernie, guy" and your reasoning is age, and not policy. I want a younger successor to Bernie as well, but if Bernie is the progressive candidate i'm going to support him over a younger centrist.
Platform wise, Bernie doesn't have a "successor", though. You all are just saying you won't vote for him because he's too old - which is your right to do. It's just confusing when you say "Im not a Bernie guy" and your reasoning is age, and not policy. I want a younger successor to Bernie as well, but if Bernie is the progressive candidate i'm going to support him over a younger centrist.
Just spitballing here but maybe the problem of a lack of progressive candidates is more the fault of the Democratic Party and not the independent senator from Vermont.
You're arguing a strange theory of responsibility. Somehow the lack of a younger progressive frontrunning candidate for President is Bernie's fault? How is that? Are Obama or Hillary responsible for the current crop of centrist front running candidates? Was Bill Clinton responsible for Obama? I don't think that's how this works. It isnt as if Bernie is publicly discouraging other Progressive candidates from running. He hasnt commented on Richard Ojeda or Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren or Barbara Lee, or Tulsi Gabbard. So what are you talking about?Who says there is a lack of candidates? We have no idea how many candidates there are. You can blame the Dems for the lack of Dem candidates in 2016. If there is a lack of Progressive candidates in 2020, then you can blame Progressives. If Progressives galvanize around Bernie and shut out others, they deserve the blame.
It's a valid critique of a political party, but it's a nonsense excuse IMO to call someone a bad candidate for not finding their own successor. Bernie has more name recognition now than any of the Dem field besides Joe Biden. He can't just transfer that name recognition to anyone he chooses, and he certainly shouldnt forfeit his name recognition, the greatest advantage a leftist has had in the modern era, just because of his age.MHMD, you’re purposefully being dense. Stop it. One of the main criticisms I’ve levied against Hillary and Obama and the Dem establishment is that they didn’t do enough to build a bench. You know what I’m talking about. Stop pretending you don’t. It’s not a good look. Pretty pathetic that you seem to be fine with progressives duplicating establishment mistakes.