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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Didn't read the article, but it's been apparent for a while that Biden is the most electable when he doesn't have to do anything. His electability peaked in 2016 when he a)didn't run b)was the most obvious hypothetical alternative when compared with two of the most disliked candidates in history and c)could most plausibly ride Obama's coattails. c) still applies to some degree, but IMO people are reckoning with how Obama governed more now, rather than how they'd wish he'd governed.
 
If Biden was so electable, he would have performed better the other two times he ran. Right now his electability is based on being Obama’s VP. He was essentially VP to legitimize the first black major party nominee. He didn’t do much beside that in 8 years. But that’s enough to make him the favorite.
 
If Biden was so electable, he would have performed better the other two times he ran. Right now his electability is based on being Obama’s VP. He was essentially VP to legitimize the first black major party nominee. He didn’t do much beside that in 8 years. But that’s enough to make him the favorite in the Democrat Party these days. Sad.

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I wonder what percentage of Biden's support comes from Democratic voters who are picking him because they perceive him to be the current strongest candidate vis-a-vis Donald. If and when other candidates show that they are garnering more support relative to Biden and have good polling numbers as well against Donald, will Biden's support drain even faster?
 

"these days?"

Who was the candidate in either party who was a former VP but didn't win their nomination? Not in my lifetime. Mondale, Bush, and Gore all won their primaries. For as long as I can remember, being a former VP was enough to win a primary in either party.
 
I wonder what percentage of Biden's support comes from Democratic voters who are picking him because they perceive him to be the current strongest candidate vis-a-vis Donald. If and when other candidates show that they are garnering more support relative to Biden and have good polling numbers as well against Donald, will Biden's support drain even faster?

I think this is the best take. VPs have usually done well if they choose to run for their party's nomination, simply because they often start out with the greatest name recognition of the candidates and have ready access to wealthy donors and large campaign staffs. The top priority for most Democrats seems to be to beat Trump, and as Biden has run the strongest in most polls against Trump thus far, and is well-known as Obama's VP, that has accounted for most of his edge in the polls. However, I don't get the sense that his support is very deep or devoted, but more broad and shallow. To many average Democrats who don't follow politics very closely but know they hate Trump, Biden is a known quantity and he is ahead of Trump in many polls. If other candidates can get those two advantages, Biden's support may decline rather quickly.
 
Biden wouldn’t be at the top of a smaller field. The info about the other candidates is diffuse so it’s hard for people who don’t really follow the news to narrow their choices. Biden is a default pick.
 
I’ll give you Buchanan, huge reason why the lead up to the Civil War was such a shitshow.
 
As bad a Buchanan was, the Civil War was basically inevitable. Johnson was a disaster. But neither destroyed our country's name around the world. Those two were in eras of bigotry. Trump is exploiting hate and bigotry and trying to expand it for his own gain. Trump is also using the presidency as an ATM. He has intentionally broken the law dozens of times. Neither of those did that.

Trump is the worst POTUS in history by a wide, wide margin. It's going to take many years to recover from him.
 
As bad a Buchanan was, the Civil War was basically inevitable. Johnson was a disaster. But neither destroyed our country's name around the world. Those two were in eras of bigotry. Trump is exploiting hate and bigotry and trying to expand it for his own gain. Trump is also using the presidency as an ATM. He has intentionally broken the law dozens of times. Neither of those did that.

Trump is the worst POTUS in history by a wide, wide margin. It's going to take many years to recover from him.

Trump still above Jackson as he hasn’t caused mass genocide. Yet.
 
Trump still above Jackson as he hasn’t caused mass genocide. Yet.

Wait for it....

Yeah, Jackson is in my bottom 5 for causing the 2nd worst depression in our history, what he did to the Cherokees and defying the SCOTUS. OTOH, he did threaten to hang John C. Calhoun, so he did have at least 1 redeeming trait.
 
If Bernie would do the logical thing and quit, Warren would likely take the lead.
 
Why no love for Bernie?

Bernie's time has come and gone.Each month his numbers are slipping vs. Warren's being increasing.

If he made it to the general, the only word we'd ever hear from the RNC and Trump is "socialist". I understand this is nuanced, but tens of millions of Americans wouldn't get it.

Add to that Bernie's temperment. He gets angry too easily and Trump will be going after him every day.

Barring a recession, I don't see Bernie winning. The #1 -#1000 most important point is to beat Trump. Nothing else matters.
 
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