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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

It's also a straw man argument. The proposals exist. You, itc, RJ, and Biff are welcome to read them. I won't hold my breath.

It’s true the mechanics are irrelevant but the dollars are not. It’s just masturbation to say “it’ll just happen bc aircraft carriers happen, right!?”

Asking the question is not owning progressives. If it is then progressives are already broken
 
Why are the dollars relevant?

We’re spending $3.5 TN now. What amount is ideal?
 
The point is that they are branding all Dem positions as the same so they can attack them all with similar ads, regardless of the candidate.

It won't stick to others as well as to Warren, who states her goal as ending private insurance or Bernie, who calls himself a Democratic Socialist. It's all they have to do against those two.

As you know, for as long as you have been on the last two boards, I've supported getting to universal care. These two are handing the GOP a way out. We can't afford four more years of Trump.
 
It won't stick to others as well as to Warren, who states her goal as ending private insurance or Bernie, who calls himself a Democratic Socialist. It's all they have to do against those two.

As you know, for as long as you have been on the last two boards, I've supported getting to universal care. These two are handing the GOP a way out. We can't afford four more years of Trump.

lol "socialist" sticks to every Dem. Hell we had a billboard on I-70 for the duration of Obama's presidency with his face on it calling him a socialist. It will stick to Dems because rubes gonna rube.
 
 
You can’t be for Medicare for All when you are not supporting Medicare for All.
 
You can’t be for Medicare for All when you are not supporting Medicare for All.

That’s some better fan nonsense. M4A is one of the Democrats biggest messaging victories because it was vague. People broadly got behind it including most of the Dem field. Once it got too popular to use as a political tool, some people started engaging in “one true M4A” logic.
 
lol "socialist" sticks to every Dem. Hell we had a billboard on I-70 for the duration of Obama's presidency with his face on it calling him a socialist. It will stick to Dems because rubes gonna rube.

^This. In the GOP's mind the terms Democrat, Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Marxist, and Communist are all rolled into one. They see no real differences between them. And according to the Trumpite GOP, if any one of these groups gain power anytime soon, the entire USA will soon be reduced to a craven, pathetic, poverty-ridden, godless Venezuela. Or Cuba. Or whatever socialist/communist/liberal nightmare nation they are thinking about as of the moment. And it doesn't matter who the Democratic nominee is next year - Warren, Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, whomever, the GOP will do their best (or worst) to tar and feather them with the "socialist" label. It's what they do.

ETA: In Biden's case they may try the tactic of "Biden may not be a socialist, but it doesn't matter because he's been captured/is controlled by Radical Far-Left Democratic Socialists like AOC and Omar!" They love saying that about Pelosi and Schumer.
 
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But when a person calls themselves that, the attacks have more credence.
 
But when a person calls themselves that, the attacks have more credence.

As much as I love Credence, credence is irrelevant with respect to ideological accusations from the GOP and their followers.
 
That’s some better fan nonsense. M4A is one of the Democrats biggest messaging victories because it was vague. People broadly got behind it including most of the Dem field. Once it got too popular to use as a political tool, some people started engaging in “one true M4A” logic.

This is just false.
 
As much as I love Credence, credence is irrelevant with respect to ideological accusations from the GOP and their followers.

You can't fight back effectively if you have called yourself something for decades.

Of course, the GOP is going to use this tactic regardless, but why make it easier and more effective?
 
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