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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

TownieDeac said:
Pramila Jayapal endorses Sanders yesterday. That’s both co-chairs, vice chair, and whip of the progressive caucus.

Another way of thinking about it, he got endorsements from AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and Jayapal, AND he’s a sexist. Honestly how can you not be impressed by that bipartisanship?
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sexist and racist, townie

don’t forget racist
 
 
“I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.“

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
“Letter from a Birmingham Jail”
 
forensicdeac said:
Pete is there. He is on the right outside of that picture standing next to Tom Steyer. I have seen pictures from my friends at the parade.
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Why won’t Pete stand front and center with our African American brothers and sisters like Bernie!
 
Show me the lie though: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/20/joe-biden-corruption-donald-trump

There are three clear examples.

First, Biden’s support for finance over working-class Americans. His career was bankrolled by the credit card industry. He delivered for it by spearheading a bankruptcy bill that made it harder for Americans to reduce their debts and helped cause the financial crisis. He not only authored and voted for that bill, he split with Barack Obama and led the battle to vote down Democratic amendments.

His explanations for carrying water for the credit card industry have changed over time. They have never rung true.

The simplest explanation is the most likely: he did it for his donors. At a fundraiser last year, Biden promised his Wall Street donors that “nothing would fundamentally change” for them if he became president. Now the financial world is raising huge money for his campaign. It clearly thinks he’s going to be its friend if elected. Most Americans, who get ripped off by the financial sector on a daily basis, aren’t looking for a candidate who has made their life harder.

Second, healthcare. On 25 April, the day he announced his campaign, Biden went straight to a fundraiser co-hosted by the chief executive of a major health insurance corporation. He refuses to sign a pledge to reject money from insurance and pharma execs and continues to raise money from healthcare industry donors. His campaign is being bankrolled by a super Pac run by healthcare lobbyists.

What did all these donors get? A healthcare proposal that preserves the power of the insurance industry and leaves 10 million Americans uninsured.

Third, climate change. Biden signed a pledge not to take money from the fossil fuel industry, then broke his promise. Right after a CNN town hall on climate change, he held a fundraiser hosted by the founder of a fossil fuel conglomerate. He is pushing climate policy that has gotten dismal reviews from several leading environmental groups.

There are plenty of other examples that raise questions, like housing and social security. Big real estate moguls are playing a major role in Biden’s campaign. Unlike his rivals, he has no comprehensive housing plan. When he pushed for cuts to Social Security, was he serving donors or his constituents?

I can already hear the howls: But look at Trump! Trump is 1,000 times worse!

You don’t need to convince me. I have spent my life writing about and fighting against corruption, and in America I have never seen anything like the current administration. In the last three years, I have made combatting Trump’s corruption the heart of my work.

I was on the first lawsuit against him for corrupt constitutional violations and I ran for attorney general in New York on a platform of pointing out just how dangerous he is, and how important unused state laws are to stopping him. My work on corruption was cited in the House judiciary committee’s report on impeachment.

But here’s the thing: nominating a candidate like Biden will make it far more difficult to defeat Trump. It will allow Trump to muddy the water, to once again pretend he is the one “draining the swamp”, running against Washington culture. Trump and the Cambridge Analytica of 2020 will campaign, as they did in 2016, on a message of radical nihilism: everybody lies, everybody is corrupt, nothing matters, there is no truth.
 
Doesn't change anything I posted. If Biden is the nominee, it sure looks like the Bernie Bros will be pissed just like last time and will stay home or vote for Trump.

How come Bernie doesn't have to address voting with the NRA all those times in the 00s?

Bernie is calling Biden corrupt and Warren a liar. Which Dem will he attack next?

Yep, he'll engage lots of people if he wins.
 
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He's trying to win the nomination. This is a competition between candidates, a good opportunity to point out the strengths of your own record and weaknesses of your opponents.

Think this is a fair-handed look at Bernie's inconsistency on gun control: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...e-sanders-gun-control-president-campaign-2020

I think it's fair to criticize Bernie's record on gun control, and it would be worth other candidates, who are trying to beat him to the nomination, trying to bring it up.
 
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Calling your top opponents corrupt and a liar is VERY, VERY Trumpian. Those are words you don't use if you are trying to keep a party together.

We saw what happened when he lost time. He waited way too long and was half-assed in supporting Hillary. Doing what he's done this week sure looks like the same will happen if he loses the nod.

Trump dreams more about Bernie is the nominee than he does about banging porn stars.
 
Ok agree to disagree, but Bernie Sanders didn't say "Elizabeth Warren is a liar" or "Joe Biden is corrupt."
 
TownieDeac said:
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I’m surprised Warren supporters #s are that high.

But with all of this, I don’t the real danger (for most) is that supporters of a particular candidate will back Trump, it’s voter suppression. If greater animus can be sowed between Warren/Sanders, the more likely supporters will sit out.
 
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