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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

Damn never knew he had a name considering he was being spit roasted in the mandalorian, so also fitting for future Brad, new society nothing goes to waste.
 
So Bernie is promoting a quasi endorsement from... Joe Rogan?!?!?!
 
Tulsi was discussed earlier so I thought I'd put this here. Also touches on many other topics including impeachment, war, and the state of American politics.

How refreshing would it be if this sort of conversation were aired on CNN or MSNBC? Instead, it has to come from a jag-off nightclub comedian recording from his garage, as Jimmy Dore likes to say.

 
Warren got the Des Moines Register endorsement.
 
David Frum shredding Sanders as Candidate in the Atlantic today


...Bernie Sanders is a fragile candidate. He has never fought a race where he had to face serious personal scrutiny. None of his Democratic rivals is subjecting him to such scrutiny in 2020. Hillary Clinton refrained from scrutinizing Sanders in 2016. It did not happen either in his many races in Vermont. A Politico profile in 2015 by Michael Kruse argued that Sanders had benefited from “an unwritten compact between Sanders, his supporters and local reporters who have steered clear [of writing about Sanders' personal history] rather than risk lectures about the twisted priorities of the press.”

The Trump campaign will not steer clear. They will hit him with everything they’ve got. They will depict him as a communist in the grip of twisted sexual fantasies, a useless career politician who oversaw a culture of sexual harassment in his 2016 campaign. Through 2019, Trump and his proxies hailed Sanders as a true voice of the people thwarted by the evil machinations of the Hillary Clinton machine. They will not pause a minute before pivoting in 2020 to attack him as a seething stew of toxic masculinity whose vicious online followers martyred the Democratic party's first female presidential nominee...

..The Sanders campaign is a bet that the 2020 campaign can be won by mobilizing the Americans least committed to the political process while alienating and even offending the Americans most committed to it. It's a hell of a gamble, and for what? To elect to the presidency a person with a proven record of accomplishing little for the causes he espouses, despite almost 32 years in the House and Senate?...
 
We are the peak of the greatest economy in the history of human civilization and y’all want to give socialism a try? Fuck off.

By 2018, 40 million Americans lived in poverty, 18.5 million in extreme poverty, and 5.3 million “in Third World conditions of absolute poverty.” By 2011, 1.5 million households — half of them white — were surviving on incomes of less than $2 per person per day. Those households included 3 million children. Nine million Americans have zero cash income. By 2016, 63 percent of Americans lacked $500 in savings to cover an emergency, and 34 percent had no savings at all. That same year, the official poverty rate was 12.7 percent.

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/capitalism-underdeveloped-rural-america-trump-white-working-class
 
lol frum

peter daou has been pretty clear the clinton campaign released literally every piece of oppo research they could

the hits that have been released on sanders so far show how small time they really are

it's clear what the trump campaign will do against sanders, paint him as a dangerous socialist with crazy ideas

but what this dumbfuck frum who has been on the wrong side of every major policy failure since he coined "axis of evil" ignores is that people on the whole trust bernie a shitload more than they trust trump, and there's tons of data to support that
 
lol frum

peter daou has been pretty clear the clinton campaign released literally every piece of oppo research they could

the hits that have been released on sanders so far show how small time they really are

it's clear what the trump campaign will do against sanders, paint him as a dangerous socialist with crazy ideas

but what this dumbfuck frum who has been on the wrong side of every major policy failure since he coined "axis of evil" ignores is that people on the whole trust bernie a shitload more than they trust trump, and there's tons of data to support that

yeah, for that reason Frum seems like a weird hire for the Atlantic (or maybe not, given their proclivities)
 
haha i actually think he's perfect for the atlantic

they love to pay huge wages for snarky harvard grads with impeccable credentials and awful ideas

he's like jonathan chait at ny mag, just building a career out of being wrong for their entire professional lives
 
Still no comment from the Bernard Brothers re: Joe Rogan, huh?

MAKES YOU WONDER

I don't necessarily feel the need to wade in too deep here, but this has been pretty interesting to follow. Rogan definitely has said some very problematic things and had guests on his show that have said and done bad things. He also gets like 200 million monthly listens, and Warren and Biden have also asked to be on his show, and Yang and Gabbard both got big bumps from being on as well. I feel like his audience is probably made up largely of alt right, libertarian, politically inactive, and some Bernie left types. Getting some of those votes back from Trump isn't a bad thing.

Rogan is also quietly cleaning up his Twitter timeline to get rid of some transphobic and anti-immigrant jokes and rhetoric, which I also see as a mixed bag. It's not a good look for any candidate to get endorsed by someone whose views are against your platform. It would be hypocritical of me to decry scrutinizing these kinds of endorsements when I've been pretty hard on other candidates, their surrogates, and their donors. I'm not a fan of Rogan, and think endorsements like his and Cenk Uygur's are politically challenging for Sanders. But it's not like, say, Hillary going hard after Henry fucking Kissinger's endorsement.
 
What happens if Biden or Pete wins Iowa or NH?

Seeing a range of polls from Iowa makes me smile and think people in Iowa are so tired of being polled that they tell one group one thing and the next something else. One has Biden at 26% and Bernie at 20%. Another is basically the opposite. And others vary making the cumulative average give Bernie a lead that's in the margin of error.

I think anyone who thinks they know what's going to happen next week is setting themselves up to look silly.
 
I would give Bernie the advantage in Iowa. It is a caucus state. I think what Nate Cohn wrote was pretty compelling.

If Biden wins Iowa, this race is effectively over.
 
Iowa seems like a tossup. Bernie's ground game is head and shoulders above any other campaign right now, but poll numbers are still pretty all over the map. It does look like he'll take NH and NV though.
 
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