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    I thought that the buzzfeed article was better than the CNN article.

    I'm not worked up over anything. I think y'all are just hilarious. You have gone from not knowing who the guy is to stanning for him on a message board in the span of six months.

    The gender piece, though, I think is what is riling me up. Y'all were such assholes towards Clinton critics (me, birdman, mhb, mdmh, etc. -- all of whom voted for Clinton, btw) and now you're supporting a young, cis white dude in a field full of super talented, (actual) policy-intelligent, and charismatic female candidates. It's just funny to me. The first charismatic white guy that comes to the table and doesn't talk about socialism becomes board liberals' political crush.
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    LOL. I’ve been a critic of Hillary for many many years. But I was happy to vote for her when the time came. And I’ll criticize her poorly run campaign till I die.

    You’re really missing what people (including women and men) like about Pete. He’s the only candidate besides maybe Warren outlining a path to something besides base centrist politics or gridlock.

    And again, I heard of him awhile back when he ran for DNC and when he came to the Tampa Bay area for an event in the 2018 cycle.

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    What path is he outlining? The accomplishment that he touts as indicative of his efficacy as a politician is responsible for exacerbating, not mitigating racial and economic injustice in South Band under the familiar rubric of "urban renewal." And you criticized the article because it featured the opinions of "aspiring slumlords."

    I'm not missing what people like about Pete. He's charismatic. He speaks in political platitudes. Supporters can imagine drinking a beer with him. It's the same thing that people like about every political candidate. He's the manifestation of the post-2016 election mantra of "can the (people who wrongly think that they are) subaltern speak?' style of "both-sides" politics. I'm still waiting to hear about substantive policy proposals from the guy. I'm looking forward to a united America, a thriving economy, etc. but I need a bit of substance if you're going to convince me to advocate for you.
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    2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

    Last I saw he’s going to start rolling out policy proposals in May. He’s going to do one a week to generate buzz and get media attention.

    I’m not going to get too worked up over policy in this race for four reasons.

    First, policy comes from Congress anyway.

    Second, policy won’t matter unless we keep the House and win the Senate.

    Third, any candidate not for getting rid of the filibuster isn’t serious about policy anyway.

    Fourth, the policy differences between the candidates aren’t that big aside from each having one or two unique big ideas that may or may not have a chance in hell in any Congress.

    The election is about voting for someone in the primary that more people will want to vote for in November. Pete wins that one for me going away. He’s presenting a major contrast between Democrats and Republicans not just on policies but values. Any candidate who doesn’t counter that “both sides are the same” BS has no chance building a coalition.


    One more thing. Obama deserves some criticism for his 8 years in office. But the one thing he did do is win big in 2008 with enough coattails to put 60 Democrats in the Senate. That’s what we need right now. Then we can start putting pressure on Congress to make sure their policy goals meet the needs of Americans who have been forgotten during the 40 year era of conservatism.
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    Can't you see how he's outlining a path to something besides base centrist politics...by not talking about policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post

    First, policy comes from Congress anyway.

    Third, any candidate not for getting rid of the filibuster isn’t serious about policy anyway.
    So policy doesn't matter because policy comes from Congress, but opinions about getting rid of the fillibuster matter because presidents definitely control that, right?

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    I'm not missing what people like about Pete. He's charismatic. He speaks in political platitudes. Supporters can imagine drinking a beer with him. It's the same thing that people like about every political candidate. He's the manifestation of the post-2016 election mantra of "can the (people who wrongly think that they are) subaltern speak?' style of "both-sides" politics. I'm still waiting to hear about substantive policy proposals from the guy. I'm looking forward to a united America, a thriving economy, etc. but I need a bit of substance if you're going to convince me to advocate for you.
    Spivacuous

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHBDemon View Post
    So policy doesn't matter because policy comes from Congress, but opinions about getting rid of the fillibuster matter because presidents definitely control that, right?
    That's a yes/no thing. That's a veto/no veto thing. That's not about some subsection of a bill.

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    Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish president. For 1.4% of the votership, his candidacy is personally historic, and that you check the temptation to ID him as a "generic white guy" in the way of a candidate you support. Pick someone else. Or better, elevate several candidates at once! Thx..
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    Here's a good explainer about the design toolkit the Pete campaign unveiled yesterday.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90334160...paign-branding

    In an unprecedented move, the campaign has created an online design toolkit that will allow supporters to customize campaign logos and images using the campaign’s nine official colors, then download them in whatever size they like to use them on social media, yard signs, or however else they choose. “People will be able to use this however they want, other than selling it,” Deroy Peraza, principal and creative director of Hyperakt, told Fast Company exclusively. It saves them time, it gives them more assets to work with, and it gives them a clear sense of what the full color palette is. It just make it easier for people to rally around Pete.”
    The campaign design is grounded in nine colors, spanning blues, browns, and golds. Each of these colors was pulled from Buttigieg’s life and are named to reflect this. One color is called Calm Blue, reflecting Buttigieg’s tendency to be soft-spoken and unflappable. Another is called Heartland Yellow. The orange is called Rust Belt. Buttigieg’s two dogs, Buddy and Truman, each have their own brown.
    [Image: courtesy Hyperakt]In an interactive mood board on the design toolkit website, you can see exactly how these colors came about: You can slide across various photographs from Buttigieg’s world, seeing how they are made up of the nine campaign colors. Some of the images are of Buttigieg at home with his husband, Chasten Buttigieg, while others are of scenes around South Bend, from the factories that have closed to the new tech center that Buttigieg helped build. There are pictures of Buttigieg’s favorite whiskey, Talisker, his shoes, and the watch that Chasten gave him as an engagement present.In other words, rather than shaping the campaign’s colors around what might appeal to Buttigieg’s constituents, Peraza felt it was important to create the most authentic visual representation of Buttigieg himself. “Our position is just that when you’re branding a candidate, the most important thing is to reflect who that person is,” he says. “Lead with that story, rather than focusing on whatever sector or space they’re working within.”
    Taken as a whole, the colors have a midwestern flair, calling to mind corn fields and industrial buildings. The colors are also reminiscent of collegiate baseball paraphernalia from the 1950s and 1960s, which often featured browns, yellows, and blues. Peraza says it makes sense to evoke team sports in the campaign, since it might spur people to rally around Mayor Pete the way they might rally around their favorite team. It’s also true that sports tends to bring people of different political persuasions together. “If you go to the Midwest, sports are everywhere,” says Peraza. “There’s really great design in those meeting places where everybody, regardless of whether you’re blue collar or white collar gets together around a team. We wanted to infuse a little bit of that into this brand, because this is about rallying around a movement, around a campaign. We want you to root for this team.”
    For example, the North Carolina for Pete sign in Carolina blue. The Michigan one is maize and blue. Indiana is Pacers colors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strickland33 View Post
    Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish president. For 1.4% of the votership, his candidacy is personally historic, and that you check the temptation to ID him as a "generic white guy" in the way of a candidate you support. Pick someone else. Or better, elevate several candidates at once! Thx..
    What about Joe Lieberman? He was a Jewish major party candidate in 2004, lost the primary, and then became the VP nominee.
    Birds are real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdman View Post
    What about Joe Lieberman? He was a Jewish major party candidate in 2004, lost the primary, and then became the VP nominee.
    he was the VP candidate in 2000 and then ran in 04

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    the fact that the bernie bros continue to push the phrase "stan" might be enough to change my vote to howard schultz

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDeac View Post
    Here's a good explainer about the design toolkit the Pete campaign unveiled yesterday.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90334160...paign-branding





    For example, the North Carolina for Pete sign in Carolina blue. The Michigan one is maize and blue. Indiana is Pacers colors.
    seems like that could bite him in the ass

  17. #3377
    I am perplexed by how people can become so vehemently supportive of any candidate at this point. I barely know anything about any of them except Bernie and Warren. Democrats need to be wary of falling too deeply in love with any single candidate or hating on any single candidate because all but one are going to lose the primary.
    Birds are real.

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    he was the VP candidate in 2000 and then ran in 04
    Yeah, whoops. I mostly remember him celebrating finishing in a three way tie for third place in New Hampshire in 2004.
    Birds are real.

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    yeah- i don't get the fighting for the sake of fighting. What the fuck difference do policy positions mean at this point? The chances that a democratic nominee won't support a popular policy position among democrats is pretty remote.

    I get it from a theoretical perspective. But if you want progressive policies, get enough people into the house and senate to pass the laws.

    Otherwise, trying to differentiate the Mayor from Bernie from Elizabeth Warren from Kamala Harris is stupid at this point.

  20. #3380
    When people say compare Bernie to Trump, it's usually for stuff like this. I feel about Bernie's trade awfulness like MHB feels about Kamela's policing stuff. I can't get past it*


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