Deaconblue
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Spivey sighting at13 min mark. Wtf?
If you want to go search through a bunch of threads three years ago be my guest. It beats the ring of common sense. That statement is true of almost any coaching situation in America.
Oh my.
Many of us said early on he wasn’t the answer. You told us it was too early to make that determination. Chastised us, even. You cannot possibly say you were advocating he leave. We all know how this went down, RChill. Really curious why you need to rewrite history, when we all - we all - know your positions. Whom do you think you’re fooling? Yourself?
You’ve put up a valiant fight. You’ll have your own little legacy in the corner of these here rjkarl boards. You’ve made your mark. But you lost. You lost badly. Please don’t make this any worse than it needs to be. Go down with dignity dude.
Strawman. People weren't "courageous" enough to predict he wouldn't become K. We were predicting that he wouldn't be the long-term answer for what we wanted in a coach - someone who was capable of winning the ACC, making a Sweet 16, and whatever could come after that. You don't have to be K to accomplish that.I contended that it was too early to determine he wouldn’t successfully rebuild the program to pre-[Redacted] levels. I ridiculed the internet heroes courageous enough to predict that Manning wouldn’t be our coach K, as if anyone thought otherwise.
Strawman. People weren't "courageous" enough to predict he wouldn't become K. We were predicting that he wouldn't be the long-term answer for what we wanted in a coach - someone who was capable of winning the ACC, making a Sweet 16, and whatever could come after that. You don't have to be K to accomplish that.
The long and short of it is this: You are saying we were too early to predict he wouldn't work out, and he didn't work out. So we were correct, and you weren't. I realize that is hard to accept. But however you seek to justify your position, against that very basic statement of fact, is just obfuscation and noise. No one here is buying it, if they ever did. So what are you still peddling? If you're going to leave in March, why not just go? The arguments have been made, and winners and losers have been declared.
You lost, RChill. And in some respects we've all lost. By engaging with you, and by rooting for this program.
Cool. We’ve never disagreed on that.
I’ve been over this before but your logic is missing a step. It’s akin to saying you are certain it’s going to be cold in New York on New Year’s Day 2020. It’s probably going to be cold on New Years Day in New York, but if it is, it doesn’t prove you were right to be certain 11 months out. It would be far more accurate to say “it’s probably going to be cold on New Year’s Day in New York, but there’s a somewhat decent chance it won’t be cold.”
You act like I came on here and told everyone that it was definitely going to be 70 degrees on New Years day in New York and that you were all idiots for thinking otherwise. You can repeat the lie all you want, declare yourself a winner, and go home, but that doesn’t make it so.
We had plenty of evidence to see what kind of coach he would be. Early on. “Too early,” you said. But evidently it wasn’t. Because he turned out not to be the answer Wake Forest needed - badly and obviously - which is precisely what we said.
The “RChill is bad at analogies” tag is spot on.
You’re still trying so hard and convincing no one. I mean, no one. So from now till March is like a lame-duck session. Are you still deriving pleasure from this? It’s long past embarrassing. Maybe just resign now?
Again, your logic is seriously flawed. It shouldn’t take an analogy, bad or otherwise, to see that.
if you throw out two years worth of data as "meaningless", even when it's clearly not meaningless, then you can say there was no data
You're acting as though we were speaking from ignorance. We weren't. Everyone here gave him a chance. But then everyoone here has come to the conclusion that he has to go. The only difference is when we individually arrived at that conclusion.
You want the people who arrived at the correct conclusion sooner to be more wrong than the people who arrived at the correct conclusion later. And you have wanted this to be true desperately, with mountains of words and endless huff-and-puffery.
Your legacy is pointless arguments made in a bizarrely defensive fashion. Well done, message board warrior!
I just want people to make well-reasoned arguments in support of their position. And yeah, before John Collins left those who gave Manning a 20% chance of getting Wake back to Dino levels were more right than those that gave him a 0% chance, no matter how desperately (and weirdly) you want it to be otherwise.
If after watching a coach perform at all aspects of his job for a time, Person A gives him 0% chance of succeeding, and Person B disagreed with that, so be it. It's just a difference of opinion. But you, Person B, couldn't let Person A have his opinion based on his own analysis of the evidence, and yes desperately and weirdly kept insisting that his determination was not correct. Like out of nowhere a bunch of us Person A's started getting shit on by you. It was, and continues to be, just bizarre.
When the Person A's prove to be right, that this lousy coach sure enough had 0% chance of being our long-term answer, but Person B still can't leave well enough alone, then it's time for Person B to do some self-examination.
You had more faith in Manning for a longer period than I did. Do you recall me telling you that this was an impermissible viewpoint? No. I just arrived at my reasonable viewpoint. Yet that's what you did with us - every time I logged onto these boards and complained about this guy WE'RE ALL NOW COMPLAINING ABOUT INCLUDING YOU, you told me I couldn't have logically arrived at this position and thus I must refrain from espousing it. Only when YOU had decided we could all complain about Manning was it finally okay to do so.
The arrogance, man, even when you've been proven wrong. Undeserved arrogance. It's such a lousy way to go through life. What are you going to do with all your free time BTW?
If after watching a coach perform at all aspects of his job for a time, Person A gives him 0% chance of succeeding, and Person B disagreed with that, so be it. It's just a difference of opinion. But you, Person B, couldn't let Person A have his opinion based on his own analysis of the evidence, and yes desperately and weirdly kept insisting that his determination was not correct. Like out of nowhere a bunch of us Person A's started getting shit on by you. It was, and continues to be, just bizarre.
When the Person A's prove to be right, that this lousy coach sure enough had 0% chance of being our long-term answer, but Person B still can't leave well enough alone, then it's time for Person B to do some self-examination.
You had more faith in Manning for a longer period than I did. Do you recall me telling you that this was an impermissible viewpoint? No. I just arrived at my reasonable viewpoint. Yet that's what you did with us - every time I logged onto these boards and complained about this guy WE'RE ALL NOW COMPLAINING ABOUT INCLUDING YOU, you told me I couldn't have logically arrived at this position and thus I must refrain from espousing it. Only when YOU had decided we could all complain about Manning was it finally okay to do so.
The arrogance, man, even when you've been proven wrong. Undeserved arrogance. It's such a lousy way to go through life. What are you going to do with all your free time BTW?
I also love that we are back to you letting a stranger on the internet tell you what to do.
Keep moving those goalposts. We’ve all agreed on that since day 1.
I just want people to make well-reasoned arguments in support of their position. And yeah, before John Collins left those who gave Manning a 20% chance of getting Wake back to Dino levels were more right than those that gave him a 0% chance, no matter how desperately (and weirdly) you want it to be otherwise.